Mr. WEO Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) or FBI, CIA or other federal agent. Or officer who has permit to carry on a plane. Or private citizen who has permit allowing to carry on plane. A lot more than you think carry on a plane. My former sister in law does. To qualify to fly armed, federal regulation states that a law enforcement officer must meet all of the following requirements: Be employed as a federal law enforcement officer, whether or not on official travel, and armed in accordance with an agency-wide policy. Be a federal law enforcement officer or a full-time municipal, county, state, tribal or territorial law enforcement officer who is a direct government agency employee. Be sworn and commissioned to enforce criminal or immigration statutes. Be authorized by the employing agency to have the weapon in connection with assigned duties. Have completed the TSA Law Enforcement Officer Flying Armed Training Course. In addition to the above requirements, municipal, county, state, tribal, or territorial officers must present an operational need to have the weapon accessible from the time he or she would otherwise check the weapon, until the time it would be claimed after deplaning. The need to have the weapon accessible aboard the aircraft must be determined by the employing agency and based on one of the following: Assigned to a protective duty as a principal or advance team, or on travel required to be prepared to engage in a protective function. Conducting a hazardous surveillance operation. On official travel with a requirement to report to another location armed and prepared for duty immediately upon landing. Escorting an in custody prisoner, or on a round trip ticket returning from escorting or traveling to pick up a prisoner. Edited October 6, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 How was Nigel supposed to know you can't take a loaded gun through an airport??? So many rules..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Not quite true. A passenger has to check it and it is placed in the cargo compartment. That much is true. There are lots of folks besides air marshals who carry on airplanes, including pilots. law enforcement officials among others. That's very true! I always thought pilots carrying was stupid. By the time they recognize a threat, unhook their shoulder harness, get their weapon, and be in firing position, they're already dead, so what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 The FBI has jurisdiction on all crimes committed onboard an aircraft. FBI agents carry firearms on their person while traveling on aircraft. They go through TSA channels when traveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I flew armed on a commercial airplane once... as a soldier going to war. It was surreal. We were all geared up but had stewardesses on the airplane offering to stow our weapons for us. When we arrived at our destination, the stewardess returned our weapons and offered tearful goodbyes. If a movie showed a scene like this, I would have thought it implausibly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 That's very true! I always thought pilots carrying was stupid. By the time they recognize a threat, unhook their shoulder harness, get their weapon, and be in firing position, they're already dead, so what's the point? I think the concern is that the reinforced cockpit door could be broken down by determined attack, which would give the pilot time to draw and ready their weapon. Some people say "that's not going to happen" but details about how long it would actually take and if there are points of weakness that a knowledgeable person could attack are lacking. I also think that these days, passengers are not going to sit quietly while a terrorist subjects the cockpit door to prolonged attack. Me, I'm for just using the fire ax that's already in every cockpit in those circs, but I do understand that some people prefer munitions on the theory "God made men, and God made women (and small men) and Colonel Colt made them equal". There is the counterpoint that in a number of recent airline tragedies, it's been one of the pilots who caused the crash. If that pilot is the armed "Federal Flight Deck Officer", he doesn't need to use subterfuge (or extra soda) to get the second pilot/relief officer out of the cockpit - just take out his weapon and shoot, "my plane now and no one to stop me behind my cosy reinforced locked cockpit door". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 <p> To qualify to fly armed, federal regulation states that a law enforcement officer must meet all of the following requirements: Be employed as a federal law enforcement officer, whether or not on official travel, and armed in accordance with an agency-wide policy. Be a federal law enforcement officer or a full-time municipal, county, state, tribal or territorial law enforcement officer who is a direct government agency employee. Be sworn and commissioned to enforce criminal or immigration statutes. Be authorized by the employing agency to have the weapon in connection with assigned duties. Have completed the TSA Law Enforcement Officer Flying Armed Training Course. In addition to the above requirements, municipal, county, state, tribal, or territorial officers must present an operational need to have the weapon accessible from the time he or she would otherwise check the weapon, until the time it would be claimed after deplaning. The need to have the weapon accessible aboard the aircraft must be determined by the employing agency and based on one of the following:Assigned to a protective duty as a principal or advance team, or on travel required to be prepared to engage in a protective function. Conducting a hazardous surveillance operation. On official travel with a requirement to report to another location armed and prepared for duty immediately upon landing. Escorting an in custody prisoner, or on a round trip ticket returning from escorting or traveling to pick up a prisoner. soooo why does she carry every time she gets on a plane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 soooo why does she carry every time she gets on a plane? Check your source... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 That's very true! I always thought pilots carrying was stupid. By the time they recognize a threat, unhook their shoulder harness, get their weapon, and be in firing position, they're already dead, so what's the point? or maybe the pilot is not stable enough to carry a gun.....some recent incidents where pilots arrested at airport for being drunk.........and having a gun....not a good combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 @howardeskin DC Jim Schwartz on #Eagles LB Nigel Bradham carrying gun 2 airport "do enough dumbass things, u will Be labeled a dumbass" @SportsRadioWIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 That's very true! I always thought pilots carrying was stupid. By the time they recognize a threat, unhook their shoulder harness, get their weapon, and be in firing position, they're already dead, so what's the point? It isn't stupid if you understand the program, which I'm not going to explain in detail. You can figure it out for yourself. Pilots carrying weapons is for cockpit defense, and they are trained to do this in great detail. They don't wear shoulder harnesses while flying, ex below 10,000 feet, and it is but a second to undo it, and I would bet the chances of overcoming one as near zero, given the new door changes. Ex that and air marshals, you have to have a need to carry on a flight. Simply being a law enforcement individual from an agency that is permitted, doesn't get it done. Pilots in the cabin for commuting to work who are authorized to carry also have weapons. Ultimately, the captain decides,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Check your source...ha Meaning what? I have seen her carrying walk in to airport and fly away and also have seen her land and carrying. She isn't going to work or anything. She carries a lot. if yyou'recalling her a liar... I dont get why. She carries any time and everywhere she wants when she leaves the house except when drinking. Plus, speaking to many friends in the airline business, they must know who is carrying (I have a few friends that are commercial pilots, stewardesses too). They say one of 4 flights they work has someone armed when flying domestically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 @howardeskin DC Jim Schwartz on #Eagles LB Nigel Bradham carrying gun 2 airport "do enough dumbass things, u will Be labeled a dumbass" @SportsRadioWIP I miss Schwartz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 It isn't stupid if you understand the program, which I'm not going to explain in detail. You can figure it out for yourself. Pilots carrying weapons is for cockpit defense, and they are trained to do this in great detail. They don't wear shoulder harnesses while flying, ex below 10,000 feet, and it is but a second to undo it, and I would bet the chances of overcoming one as near zero, given the new door changes. Ex that and air marshals, you have to have a need to carry on a flight. Simply being a law enforcement individual from an agency that is permitted, doesn't get it done. Pilots in the cabin for commuting to work who are authorized to carry also have weapons. Ultimately, the captain decides,. FBI carries on planes disregardless of what the pilot wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 @LesBowen Schwartz: you do dumbass things, pretty soon you're going to be labeled a dumbass. Bradham has "ground to make up." @AdamSchefter Eagles DC Jim Schwartz on LB Nigel Bradham, who was arrested for a loaded gun in his backpack at Miami Intl Airport: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) I miss Schwartz. Oh if Rex said it, everyone would be out of their minds... But i do like the statement. Edited October 6, 2016 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I flew armed on a commercial airplane once... as a soldier going to war. It was surreal. We were all geared up but had stewardesses on the airplane offering to stow our weapons for us. When we arrived at our destination, the stewardess returned our weapons and offered tearful goodbyes. If a movie showed a scene like this, I would have thought it implausibly stupid. Sounds like an experience I had. Worst flight ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiostyle Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 @howardeskin DC Jim Schwartz on #Eagles LB Nigel Bradham carrying gun 2 airport "do enough dumbass things, u will Be labeled a dumbass" @SportsRadioWIP If his quote is real, it's priceless. Rare candid talk from a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 How do you forget you've got a loaded gun in your backpack while going through the airport security lines? http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/05/sports/switzer-arrested-on-gun-charge.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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