Jared Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Pats fan here. For those asking about deep throws, Brady has never been a great deep thrower himself. Part of this is the receivers they've had. Back in the earlier Brady years, it was David Patten, Troy Brown, and then eventually Deion Branch and David Givens. None of those guys are pure burners (Patten is probably the fastest of the group), and most were 5'10 or under. Givens was the biggest of the group, but he was no Randy Moss. Except for a couple Randy years, the Pats have never had a big+fast downfield threat who can consistently win one on one battles 50 yards down the field. Instead, most of the deep plays are the result of creative play design which gets 2nd and 3rd tier receivers WIDE OPEN or they hit a squirrely receiver 15 yards down the field, and rely on YAC to get more. Troy Brown, Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola. That is how those guys rack up the yards. Get them in the ball in space and let them work. What that means for Jimmy? If he can play through pain and still make the right reads and deliver quickly, he should be fine. This offense doesn't rely on arm strength (and Brady has never been one of the top arm strength QBs in the league). The biggest issue will be protecting him and keeping him upright. If a couple Bills fall on him and start beating him up, will he get happy feet? Will he be afraid of contact? Those are the issues that are most likely to hold him back (other than basic things like receivers not getting open, etc).
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2016 Author Posted October 2, 2016 @adamschefter Patriots do not expect to know which QB they will start Sun., Jimmy Garappolo or Jacoby Brissett, until pre-game warmups, per league source.
CommonCents Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 @adamschefter Patriots do not expect to know which QB they will start Sun., Jimmy Garappolo or Jacoby Brissett, until pre-game warmups, per league source. Bunch of garbage! Jimmy G. is going to be the guy tommorrow. Could BB trot out Brisket for the opening snap? Sure. Jimmy G. takes the majority of the snaps though
ganesh Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Forget the 6.5 dog stuff or the win/loss this for this single game. Just clean house regardless. How many "clean house" will we keep doing every two years....At some point you got to give them the continuity. It is not Rex's fault that the Bills haven't been to the playoffs in 15 years when he came on board. How many playoffs has Fisher taken the team. How many playoff wins does Marvin Lewis have for the Bengals in spite of a loaded roster.
Mr. WEO Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 How many "clean house" will we keep doing every two years....At some point you got to give them the continuity. It is not Rex's fault that the Bills haven't been to the playoffs in 15 years when he came on board. How many playoffs has Fisher taken the team. How many playoff wins does Marvin Lewis have for the Bengals in spite of a loaded roster. Gotta love it when the strongest arguments for "continuity" are pointing out the failures of teams that are accepting of inappropriate continuity.
SF Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Garapolo had a good game against the Dolphins but I think we can all agree that the Dolphins are also pretty terrible. I expect us to destroy Miami twice this year. I think this is a very even game and winnable- unlike the dark years when you knew we would lose.
Dr.Sack Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Both are hurt. Hit the hell out of each of them.
SF Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Pats fan here. For those asking about deep throws, Brady has never been a great deep thrower himself. Part of this is the receivers they've had. Back in the earlier Brady years, it was David Patten, Troy Brown, and then eventually Deion Branch and David Givens. None of those guys are pure burners (Patten is probably the fastest of the group), and most were 5'10 or under. Givens was the biggest of the group, but he was no Randy Moss. Except for a couple Randy years, the Pats have never had a big+fast downfield threat who can consistently win one on one battles 50 yards down the field. Instead, most of the deep plays are the result of creative play design which gets 2nd and 3rd tier receivers WIDE OPEN or they hit a squirrely receiver 15 yards down the field, and rely on YAC to get more. Troy Brown, Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola. That is how those guys rack up the yards. Get them in the ball in space and let them work. What that means for Jimmy? If he can play through pain and still make the right reads and deliver quickly, he should be fine. This offense doesn't rely on arm strength (and Brady has never been one of the top arm strength QBs in the league). The biggest issue will be protecting him and keeping him upright. If a couple Bills fall on him and start beating him up, will he get happy feet? Will he be afraid of contact? Those are the issues that are most likely to hold him back (other than basic things like receivers not getting open, etc). Agreed- very accurate assessment of the Pats pass game. They never had a stud receiver. It is always the great game plan that they stick to and execute perfectly. It's all about a quick pass and YAC that carries the offense. Brady is awesome at reading the D and he can perfectly place the ball in the hands of Edelman and Welker etc. When the opposition panics and over compensates to stop a particular facet of the Pats offense, then they get killed by a guy like Tyms or it is Gronk time. Bellichick is great adjusting. As for tomorrow- the key for the Bills is stop Blount and make Garapolo make those throws. Don't go all out on the pressure but take away those middle throws. I suspect Rex will blitz like mad and that will not be the right call. As for our offense, you know Bellichick will take away the run game and neutralize McCoy and contain Tyrod. That is it. He'll dare Tyrod to throw to win. Tyrod's normal little 3 yard passes and swing outs will not get the job done. I'm counting on Lynn to step up with a plan to throw over the middle which is not Tyrod's forte.
TheBillsOrDie Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17688792/new-england-patriots-choose-jimmy-garoppolo-jacoby-brissett-sunday-warmups On ESPN this Morning
Jimmythreetimes Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 The Buffalo bills make me want to shout! I want to hear that song played
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 The Refs will win this one for NE, cue the phantom penalties, the "Bills most undisciplined team" storyline rears it's head in this one. Bellicheat doesnt have to beat us cuz he knows we'll beat ourselves I fear this will be the case
Boo Radley Boston Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Garapolo had a good game against the Dolphins but I think we can all agree that the Dolphins are also pretty terrible. I expect us to destroy Miami twice this year. I think this is a very even game and winnable- unlike the dark years when you knew we would lose. The Dolphins came to play that Sunday. They didn't look terrible to Garropalo. Even game? I fear this will be the case Rex always has an excuse because its never because of him. Yup, ignore Rexs clock management and boneheaded challenges. Ask any Jets fan how Rex lets the inmates run the prison.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 @MikeGarafolo Jimmy Garoppolo needed a shot last week to practice. Was limited to about 100 throws per day. Typical game day is upward of 200. @RapSheet Ian Rapoport Retweeted Mike Garafolo Starting to seem like an uphill battle for Jimmy G to start. Edelman is in the bullpen to backup
26TrapDraw Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 I think we should come out with a 7 DB set, with some playing as LB's and totally mind f*** whoever they have playin QB... think the opposite needs to happen from the start. Get someone to plant his ass on a blitz early and disrupt his mindset. He's no Brady and will not shake it off especially if we are smart enough to deposit him right on that bad shoulder. Remember we did what your proposing against the Jets. How'd that work out for us? The floppy one
thebandit27 Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 The Dolphins came to play that Sunday. They didn't look terrible to Garropalo. Even game? Rex always has an excuse because its never because of him. Yup, ignore Rexs clock management and boneheaded challenges. Ask any Jets fan how Rex lets the inmates run the prison. Your condescension aside, yes, I'll call it an even game. Buffalo's D made a much better QB than either Janine Garrafolo or The Brisket Brigade look like a rookie last week, so let's not assume anything regarding what either guy could do in his first exposure to Rex's scheme. Even Tommy Boy struggled against it in Week 11 last year.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 @ESPNNFL The Patriots' quarterback decision won't come until pregame warmups Sunday. (via @AdamSchefter)
K D Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Jimmy Gelato is starting. I heard it from my buddy Slippery Sal at the race track. I'm preeeeeetty sure
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2016 Author Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) If he does, hes not 100 percent based on these reports and it means they don't think they can win with this game with Brissett (which would surprise me). I assumed they think they can win with no QB. Edited October 2, 2016 by YoloinOhio
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2016 Author Posted October 2, 2016 @adamschefter Patriots QB Jimmy Garappolo will be inactive today, source tells ESPN.
The Wiz Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 @adamschefter Patriots QB Jimmy Garappolo will be inactive today, source tells ESPN. So Brisket and Edelman as the backup?
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