jms62 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I can count 7 off the top of my head without looking: 2014 Miami Minnesota NYJ Denver 2015 Miami KC Washington Houston NYJ Guess it's 9 without looking Stats please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Good scout, but obviously in way over his head as a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Stats please. Good grief man, do I really have to spoon feed you? If you're that interested in refuting me then look them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Stats please. You can look those up yourself. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16725/sammy-watkins And those games were better than awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 hard to argue with what Whaley has done. injuries are not his fault. this is a talented roster, just need to get them on the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Stats please. Did you watch Bills football last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 If were being honest here. Outside of maybe 1 or 2 good FA pickups his drafts and personnel decisions have been below average. I see people every day claiming how he is one of the "best GM's in football". What a load of crap. What exactly has this guy done to get that title? Idc what you say, he drafted EJ. Picking a 1st round QB in possibly the worst QB class in the last 15 years was awful decision making. He then supported EJ and tried to get him weapons, that ended up failing big time. Watkins has been an injury prone nightmare. His 2016 draft has already had 2 guys out for the year and 1 guy who will miss half. Karlos williams was a disaster. Darby has prob been his best pick but he has only had 1 good season. Our WR depth and oline depth is a complete joke, he has done NOTHING to address this so far. Sammy went into training camp injured and we still didn't pick anyone up. Clay has been a waste of money, and McCoy is aging fast. Whaley is not the guy that should be staying with this team for the future. We are 1-2 soon to be 1-3 and does anyone really see this team making the playoffs this year? What do we even have to look forward to? Does anyone trust this guy picking another QB in the draft? B/c I don't. Even before Rex, Whaley should be gone. New GM can find his own staff and scouts. We dont year from you for a week after a win....and this? Yeezus who are you really before you were banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 So what information did YOU have that told YOU that Watkins was going to have injury issues? Because guess what, injuries were NOT a concern about Watkins. But I guess you are fully capable of predicting the future, therefore you expect our GM to also be able to predict the future when there are NO signs of an issue. He was 100% right about Sammys talent, we have had bad luck with him not consistently being healthy...there is no logical argument you can make to blame that on Whaley...not one, so stop. We traded down to get EJ, so you should pay attention to the whole picture rather than cherry pick the things you want to crush him on. And pretty much is scene as Buddy was behind picking EJ, so decision is not all on Whaley. And its somehow bad to try and develop a QB by providing him weapons? Especially when we had an ascending defense already and at that time needed to improve the offense? Pretty dumb to think its a mistake to put weapons around your young QB when your offense was devoid of playmakers in the first place. Karlos Williams was a great pick...The kid made his own decisions that led to his own demise. Again, a GM can only know and predict so much. The man knows talent and found talent late in the draft, and those guys are there late because they do have risks. McCoy is playing great, why you would choose to complain about him is absurd...and we traded a perennially injured LB for him who has barely played since we traded him. Lets see, Whaley also found many big contributors in Free Agency, during the season, and in the draft. He also traded a bum for Hughes straight up. He also resigned and kept some of our better players. He also got rid of Marios dumb contract. He also negotiated a great deal with our QB that is both fair to Taylor but not an anchor on this team, something MANY other teams have failed miserably at doing (See 49ers, Cowboys, Bears, Dolphins, etc) with QB's. And you can only add so many players and fill so many wholes in a season, and when he took this team over it had lots and lots of holes. And we have been drafting guys at WR, we have taken WR's in the drafts all 3 years and got guys like Sammy, Woods and Goodwin, not to mention some of our other young guys. But you can't invest a high pick in a WR every year when you also have other holes. Our draft this year was looking great until bad luck derailed our top 2 guys, but that doesn't mean long term its a failure either. NO GM is perfect, but your post is very far off from being a fair assessment of his performance as a GM. Thanks for injecting a dollop of sanity into the discussion. I note that the OP has chosen for his screen name an alter ego of one of the most polarizing, low talent, egomaniacal performers around today. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Thanks for injecting a dollop of sanity into the discussion. I note that the OP has chosen for his screen name an alter ego of one of the most polarizing, low talent, egomaniacal performers around today. Coincidence? Thanks, its not always easy around here lol. When are our trainers and medical staff going to face some accountability? They keep putting our players out there before they are ready so injuries just linger and linger. They also told Whaley and the FO that Shaq was all good and wouldn't need surgery...wrong again. People blame Whaley and Rex, but what about the guys making the assessments he has to make decisions on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I think this team would be much better off if Whaley didn't have to deal with a complete breakup of the defense he built in 2014. He could have used those resources to upgrade the offense instead of having to spend many picks on defensive players for Ryan's system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 He should have worked better with the head coach he picked then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 He should have worked better with the head coach he picked then I don't think he picked the head coach. Why would he pick a coach with a completely different defensive system and rebuild again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I made a comment in another thread about this guy being absent after the win Sunday. Figures he would pop back up after some bad news. This. Makes him lose all credibility. No one wants to hear chicken little or a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I think this team would be much better off if Whaley didn't have to deal with a complete breakup of the defense he built in 2014. He could have used those resources to upgrade the offense instead of having to spend many picks on defensive players for Ryan's system. I think this team would've been better off if Marrone was the one to stay and Whaley was the one to go. Not much better off, but closer to turning things around, depending on the czar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I think this team would've been better off if Marrone was the one to stay and Whaley was the one to go. Not much better off, but closer to turning things around, depending on the czar. Huh? Marrone has been an utter failure in Jacksonville...I mean he couldn't be doing a worse job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 If were being honest here. Outside of maybe 1 or 2 good FA pickups his drafts and personnel decisions have been below average. I see people every day claiming how he is one of the "best GM's in football". What a load of crap. What exactly has this guy done to get that title? Idc what you say, he drafted EJ. Picking a 1st round QB in possibly the worst QB class in the last 15 years was awful decision making. He then supported EJ and tried to get him weapons, that ended up failing big time. Watkins has been an injury prone nightmare. His 2016 draft has already had 2 guys out for the year and 1 guy who will miss half. Karlos williams was a disaster. Darby has prob been his best pick but he has only had 1 good season. Our WR depth and oline depth is a complete joke, he has done NOTHING to address this so far. Sammy went into training camp injured and we still didn't pick anyone up. Clay has been a waste of money, and McCoy is aging fast. Whaley is not the guy that should be staying with this team for the future. We are 1-2 soon to be 1-3 and does anyone really see this team making the playoffs this year? What do we even have to look forward to? Does anyone trust this guy picking another QB in the draft? B/c I don't. Even before Rex, Whaley should be gone. New GM can find his own staff and scouts. He's not near as bad at his job as you are at knowing about football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 hard to argue with what Whaley has done. injuries are not his fault. this is a talented roster, just need to get them on the field Every team in the NFL can point to good spots of talent. Perhaps the Bills have a higher percent than normal. But the inability to make a consistently strong team is a fault and I cant see how anyone can argue against this. I have seen excuses - no one can predict injuries, immaturity, etc etc. But after years of futility, when and how do we turn this team into one without excuses ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I think this team would've been better off if Marrone was the one to stay and Whaley was the one to go. Not much better off, but closer to turning things around, depending on the czar. Possibly but I don't think so. If any of the reports are true, I think hiring Hue Jackson and keeping Schwartz would have this team in a better place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Every team in the NFL can point to good spots of talent. Perhaps the Bills have a higher percent than normal. But the inability to make a consistently strong team is a fault and I cant see how anyone can argue against this. I have seen excuses - no one can predict injuries, immaturity, etc etc. But after years of futility, when and how do we turn this team into one without excuses ? The difference between average and good GMs is their ability to plan for contingencies. As it has been pointed out, Bills were much better prepared to deal with Shaq's & Ragland's absence than they were with Sammy's absence, especially with a still hobbled Clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Possibly but I don't think so. If any of the reports are true, I think hiring Hue Jackson and keeping Schwartz would have this team in a better place. I am not ready to give up on Rex, however I do have to admit having a combo of Hue and Schwartz sounds pretty good right about now. What Schwartz is doing for Philly is exactly what we need right now on defense and ironically is exactly what he did for us in his one year here too. I don't think I have ever missed a Coordinator as much as I miss Schwartz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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