bobobonators Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Who needs Clay, Nick O"Leary is the man. It always amazes me how a player can be so damn good in college and have a marginal roster spot in the NFL.
K D Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 He was wide open over the middle on one play and Tyrod didn't see him and Clay got visibly frustrated. Still the same issue of not seeing the middle of the field
Estelle Getty Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Who needs Clay, Nick O"Leary is the man. Did you know he is Jack Nicklaus grandson?
re enlightener Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 where was he yesterday? This was when we needed him in "Gronk" mode... he was hiding again in the middle, a place tightwad cant understand or anticipate a throw into, this will never change, get used our high priced marsh mellow tough TE getting under used for the rest of the season. If Orton were still here hed have 8 catches a game for 100+ yards.
dawolv Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Hoping he has his breakout game this week against the cheaters! We will definitely need him and Felton to help block upfront, also praying Glenn is ready to go. 2-2, here we come!
bobobonators Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 he was hiding again in the middle, a place tightwad cant understand or anticipate a throw into, this will never change, get used our high priced marsh mellow tough TE getting under used for the rest of the season. If Orton were still here hed have 8 catches a game for 100+ yards. my lord.
Boatdrinks Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 It always amazes me how a player can be so damn good in college and have a marginal roster spot in the NFL. The competition is so unequal in college ball. Especially at a school like FSU where very few players on opposing teams are NFL caliber except when you play the better schools. The big boys play a lot of cupcakes in a season to boost their rankings.
RyanC883 Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Yep, its very disappointing to see our TE running open so often while his blocking has been a key to our running success since he got here. exactly. he has not been a disappointment at all. He blocked very well. The fact our QB can't see him open is a problem.
John from Riverside Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 he was hiding again in the middle, a place tightwad cant understand or anticipate a throw into, this will never change, get used our high priced marsh mellow tough TE getting under used for the rest of the season. If Orton were still here hed have 8 catches a game for 100+ yards. And no threat at all of a QB with the escapability TT has?
Best Player Available Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Yep, its very disappointing to see our TE running open so often while his blocking has been a key to our running success since he got here. they did not overpay him simply for his blocking skills. Being hobbled? is that having his knee drained weekly that is rumored? if so not a good signing at any price. That is on OBD. That money could have gone to a genuine road grading Grade A RT. Don't know what Clay's problem is or if it is someones elses like the qb. But so far he is putting up Chandler receiving numbers if that. And by any metric not what anyone expected. Maybe Lynn sees this. Roman never did.
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Did you know he is Jack Nicklaus grandson? I thought it was Tiger Woods grandson, always get them mixed up.
K-9 Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 they did not overpay him simply for his blocking skills. Being hobbled? is that having his knee drained weekly that is rumored? if so not a good signing at any price. That is on OBD. That money could have gone to a genuine road grading Grade A RT. Don't know what Clay's problem is or if it is someones elses like the qb. But so far he is putting up Chandler receiving numbers if that. And by any metric not what anyone expected. Maybe Lynn sees this. Roman never did. You missed the part about him running open all the time. If only he could throw to himself. Yeah, a great blocking TE, instrumental in our league leading running game that gets open all the time is such a waste. And able to do all that while not 100% at that.
Estelle Getty Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 I thought it was Tiger Woods grandson, always get them mixed up. You might be right. I thought i heard a broadcaster say that once before. But I'm probably just confused.
CountryCletus Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 The criticism is fair. You don't give a guy 8 mill year to be a blocking tight end and be a team player. That is what bums like Dray are for @ 2 mill a year You're absolutely right- because te likes of Dray would totally force an opposing team to game plan for him... Clay will have his games this year when he's the main guy... And if he's not doing it on the stat sheet, watch the game film.... He's drawing attention and coverage... But I suppose that's not sexy enough for most...
BobbyC81 Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Our offense and qb aren't built to utilize the TE very much. Not sure why. Having a good TE as part of your attack seems like a sensible approach, and we see a handful of other teams where the TE is winning them games, but I've given up on the "we need to get Charles Clay and Sammy involved more" stuff. After yesterday watching us roll a playoff team that has a top defense without half of our normal receivers or starting LT was eye opening. What we need to go is block and tackle well, give Tyrod time, continue to be unpredictable on defense. Powell, Woods, maybe Goodwin and Salas, Oleary-- I don't care anymore. Give TT a pocket and the ability to change plays whenever he sees fit and we will start being favored in these games more often than not. Roman was the tight ends coach at Stanford, where the TE was a big part of their offense. Same thing in SF where he was OC but Vernon Davis wasn't used much in Roman's last season there so there is a precedent.
Best Player Available Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 You missed the part about him running open all the time. If only he could throw to himself. Yeah, a great blocking TE, instrumental in our league leading running game that gets open all the time is such a waste. And able to do all that while not 100% at that. I kind of took the open all the time comment you made as possible sarcasm. yea, When I focused on him he was open on plays. I don't get it. I expected big numbers from him. in part because of what Roman did in S.F. with his Tight ends.
mob16151 Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Clay helps by drawing attention in the passing game. But if I was an opposing D coordinator, I wouldn't lose sleep over him, because Tyrod can't seem to find him this season.
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 I don't know what it is about him, but at 6'3" he reminds me more of a heavy wide receiver than a tight end. He is fast and a willing blocker. Id prefer more of the Jason Witten (6'6), Pete Metzalaars (6'7) type larger frame TE's.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Clay helps by drawing attention in the passing game. But if I was an opposing D coordinator, I wouldn't lose sleep over him, because Tyrod can't seem to find him this season. The last bit is a shame because he's flashed some big RAC ability on the sporadic occasion a football finds him.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 26, 2016 Posted September 26, 2016 Clay has a lot to prove to me after 3rd and pu$$y last week. $8M/yr and that guy can't run over a DB for a first down. I'd like to see you try to tackle him.
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