Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 One more question, what's the distance of play where it is a good play and stops being lucky? I tried googling it but I couldn't find it.
CountDorkula Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 One more question, what's the distance of play where it is a good play and stops being lucky? I tried googling it but I couldn't find it. I would say anything more than 30 yards in the air is a throw it and hope. Hence why the completion rate is so low on those passes. I'm being somewhat serious.
dave mcbride Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 SO he is a Running back that has arm strength? to quote the Raven "We made him be a quarterback" and he failed at it. IMO, the Bills will not win constantly with Taylor at QB, he doesn't see the field or read a defense. He is a one read and then scramble around and hopefully he can find someone to throw the ball at. I definitely agree that he has limitations and weaknesses. His pluses and minuses add up to average NFL QB. There are a fair number of starters who are worse than him right now, and a bunch who are better.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 So do Tyrod's stats count now that they suck?
dave mcbride Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 I would say anything more than 30 yards in the air is a throw it and hope. Hence why the completion rate is so low on those passes. I'm being somewhat serious. His completion rate on those deeper throws is quite high actually (relative to other QBs).
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Against the jets 230 of tyrods 297 came from bombs or garbage time i was just looking at Brady's career stats, and I must have overlooked the GT/B stat. where is that again? I'm sure they'll take those into consideration when deciding if he's HOF material. "Played Buffalo Bills" -10.
CountDorkula Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 His completion rate on those deeper throws is quite high actually (relative to other QBs). This I know, but in tersm of teh average NFL QB, those throws are a very low percentage. Sometimes it is just dumb luck that the pass gets completed.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 I would say anything more than 30 yards in the air is a throw it and hope. Hence why the completion rate is so low on those passes. I'm being somewhat serious. You do see the absurdity in it at least. The Goodwin play was 1,000% designed to do just what it did. I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around why it shouldn't count? The Salas play is a CREDIT to TT not "dumb luck." He did what he does well, escaped the pocket and hurt them down the field. The fact that we are pretending that those 2 plays shouldn't count when evaluating performance is beyond madness. Should we exclude all completions and just evaluate him on the incompletions? Where's the line as to "what counts" in terms of evaluating performance? I'm okay excluding the garbage time but the rest is foolish.
Freddie's Dead Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 We should take away LeShady's 25 yard run, so he only "really" has 75 yards in 2 games. We should use diving judging, throw out the high and the low. Oops, then we'd have to throw away the Jags game for EJ (can't do that, then we might have to admit EJ doesn't suck like the Black Hole of Calcutta). C'mon man. The late great Branch Rickey said "Luck is the residue of design". There was nothing lucky about those bombs that scored TD's. You don't get to magically exclude them to stretch your point about how Tie-rod sucks. You can do that right now with his real stats. 0-2.
uticaclub Posted September 20, 2016 Author Posted September 20, 2016 You do see the absurdity in it at least. The Goodwin play was 1,000% designed to do just what it did. I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around why it shouldn't count? The Salas play is a CREDIT to TT not "dumb luck." He did what he does well, escaped the pocket and hurt them down the field. The fact that we are pretending that those 2 plays shouldn't count when evaluating performance is beyond madness. Should we exclude all completions and just evaluate him on the incompletions? Where's the line as to "what counts" in terms of evaluating performance? I'm okay excluding the garbage time but the rest is foolish. Those were both broken plays, where we rolled out of the pocket and just threw the ball as far as he could.
Gugny Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 It's hardly his only skill set. He rarely turns the ball over, he's good at making plays outside the pocket, and he's a great runner. Denying this amounts to obtuseness. I will give you that he protects the ball. But the plays outside the pocket and the running are only on display because he can't read a defense or find an open receiver to save his life.
K-9 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Those were both broken plays, where we rolled out of the pocket and just threw the ball as far as he could. Not the Goodwin play. That was called and we had max protect to make sure he had time to get it out there. That was a great play.
ko12010 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 SO he is a Running back that has arm strength? to quote the Raven "We made him be a quarterback" and he failed at it. IMO, the Bills will not win constantly with Taylor at QB, he doesn't see the field or read a defense. He is a one read and then scramble around and hopefully he can find someone to throw the ball at. That he is a one read qb is simply untrue. There is great video on YouTube breaking this down. Stop parroting dumb bullsh*t
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Those were both broken plays, where we rolled out of the pocket and just threw the ball as far as he could. Oh, I didn't realize that the Goodwin play was a broken play. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/09/15/former-olympian-marquise-goodwin-celebrates-84-yard-td-with-long-jump/ Please, please, please stop making things up to fit a narrative. If you want to talk about his performance by all mean's exclude the last TD drive. Everything up until that point was when the game was still in limbo. You may think that it strengthens your point by pulling out the big plays but in reality it lessens your point because it is so clear that you are trying to push through an agenda. The big plays have been and will continue to be an important part of this offense. There is no reason to be mad that the Bills scored twice from 70+ yards. I believe that they led or were 2nd in the league in long TDs last year (don't remember the exact number). That isn't dumb luck; it is something that they do well!!!
26CornerBlitz Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Not the Goodwin play. That was called and we had max protect to make sure he had time to get it out there. That was a great play. Oh, I didn't realize that the Goodwin play was a broken play. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/09/15/former-olympian-marquise-goodwin-celebrates-84-yard-td-with-long-jump/ Please, please, please stop making things up to fit a narrative. If you want to talk about his performance by all mean's exclude the last TD drive. Everything up until that point was when the game was still in limbo. You may think that it strengthens your point by pulling out the big plays but in reality it lessens your point because it is so clear that you are trying to push through an agenda. The big plays have been and will continue to be an important part of this offense. There is no reason to be mad that the Bills scored twice from 70+ yards. I believe that they led or were 2nd in the league in long TDs last year (don't remember the exact number). That isn't dumb luck; it is something that they do well!!! http://youtu.be/8EqEUD3jJLE Debunked!
Wayne Cubed Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 I will say this about the quick "long scores", give me that over a long time-consuming drive that produces a FG. One has to wonder, what would have happened if the defense got off the field sooner on the first drive.
NoSaint Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Oh, well that's a new explanation. I guess that I didn't factor in that "they were lucky shots." That's a really excellent explanation. All this time I thought that an offense that hits the deep ball as well as any team in the league, finding maybe the fastest player in the league downfield was planned. I didn't realize that it was dumb luck. Excuse my ignorance then... I wouldn't discount them toooooo terribly. Maybe a little in that once you hit about 50 yards the play isn't truly more effective than 60 or 70 or 98 in evaluating yardage stats But you've got to acknowledge big plays
2003Contenders Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Not sure if the original intent was to troll -- or if the OP as simply ill-informed. The fact is that over half of Tyrod's yardage came on the 2 long TD passes. The first was on the very first possession, and the 2nd was on the first drive of the 2nd half. The first one put the Bills ahead 7-3, and the second one brought them to within a score. Oh, and the Jets turned it over on their very next drive -- and the TD return put the Bills back in the lead. Hardly garbage time. Look, the offense really struggled against the Ravens. Against the Jets, they struggled to sustain drives; however, they did make good on those big plays, which should have been enough to win the game if the defense show up. Despite all of the wailing, think about this: if Darby doesn't drop a pick six, and Tyrod doesn't underthrow a wide open Watkins (and instead tosses an INT), the Bills are probably 2-0.
K-9 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 http://youtu.be/8EqEUD3jJLE Debunked! I have to correct my previous post as, even though there are 7 blockers, we didn't go heavy so I can't call it max protect.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 I wouldn't discount them toooooo terribly. Maybe a little in that once you hit about 50 yards the play isn't truly more effective than 60 or 70 or 98 in evaluating yardage stats But you've got to acknowledge big plays That's fair as long as it ends in a TD. I'd say a 50 yard TD is the same as an 80 yard TD but a 60 yard TD is better than a 75 yard play that doesn't result in a TD (if that makes sense). Finishing the play is important.
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