filthymcnasty08 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 This article is from January so forgive me if some of the names have changed: good for a read though http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/front-office/2016/01/07/2016-nfl-general-manger-candidates/ I really liked the way the article lays out the possible choices - shows you how difficult it can be to nab a stud up-and-comer. And again we see the top tier organizations are all way ahead: grooming replacements and paying them to ensure they stay put until it's their time.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 This article is from January so forgive me if some of the names have changed: good for a read though http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/front-office/2016/01/07/2016-nfl-general-manger-candidates/ I really liked the way the article lays out the possible choices - shows you how difficult it can be to nab a stud up-and-comer. And again we see the top tier organizations are all way ahead: grooming replacements and paying them to ensure they stay put until it's their time. There are so many random titles in the NFL... The GM can become VP of personell, and then move someone else into the GM role that they like, rather than lose them.
MAJBobby Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Rankings for me Top Tier - Likely wont accept an interview (but still reaching out) Eric DeCosta Eliot Wolf Nick Caserio 2nd Tier - Were I would likely be picking from (hopefully) 1. Trent Kirchner - As much as I hate the Seahawks I would love to poach their FO. This team as an amazing eye for talent in all rounds as well as finding the lower end UFA and turning him into a great player for them. They know the type of player they need on that team and know exactly where to get it. 2. Chris Ballard - One of the better talent evaluators in the game. Also on the Chiefs some might say are not overly talented however they like Seahawks know the type of player that they need. He was integral in helping Chiefs GM Dorsey remake a 2-14 roster into back to back winning seasons. Also a former coach, so knows and has shown how to connect with coaching staffs to see what type of player they need to fit the systems they want to run. The other one that I think will be a good GM is Jim Manos - but that would be a Hard sell to Bills fans promoting from within. However he is very respected in this league and will start getting interviews soon enough I think.
May Day 10 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 IMO, interview Caserio, make him very, very well paid, and most importantly, give him the keys to the car, promising nearly limitless resources to building scouting, conditioning, A/V, etc.
Fadingpain Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 IMO, interview Caserio, make him very, very well paid, and most importantly, give him the keys to the car, promising nearly limitless resources to building scouting, conditioning, A/V, etc. Caserio would be the perfect guy. He turned down the GM job in Miami not long ago, preferring to stay in NE. He'd likely do the same here too. If Pegula offered him total control and made him the highest paid GM in football, maybe Caserio's views on moving would change.
BuffaloBaumer Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Whoever knows what an NFL QB should look like is the guy I want. I don't care if hew whiffs on everything else - FIND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT A QB SHOULD LOOK LIKE!
May Day 10 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Caserio would be the perfect guy. He turned down the GM job in Miami not long ago, preferring to stay in NE. He'd likely do the same here too. If Pegula offered him total control and made him the highest paid GM in football, maybe Caserio's views on moving would change. He would have to be in a high role like President or at least President of the Football-Wing of the team. Free to build and change everything to his liking. That would rock the boat of the old/current guard here too much and I dont see the Bills offering that.
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 I like both the Vice President of Player Personnel and the Director of Pro Scouting from Arizona. Terry McDonough Terry McDonough is an old school personnel man who would not be flashy but has played a really crucial role in the rebuilding of the Arizona roster. Quentin Harris (who I might actually prefer) is their Director of Pro Scouting and who has been involved in the decisions they have made in bringing in the likes of Veldeer, Iupati, Rucker and Carson Palmer who have been major contributors for that team. He was also the guy who decided that Chris Johnson, Red Bryant, Evan Mathis and Dwight Freeney had enough tread left on the tires to help the team. There is a tendency to think about a GM just in terms of drafting... but finding those right FA and dust settled guys to fill out the roster and bring experience and a winning attitude is vital too.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Five years or so ago, likely Doug Whaley would have been on this list at least at the bridesmaid level if not the "in-waiting" My point, you have just as good a chance of having the same issues in another five years unless you get the right guy, and no one really knows when they have the right guy till a few years after he's hired.
MAJBobby Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 First the Easiest criteria to use. IGNORE anyone that Brandon says is good or "don't let him out of the building" statement about
BillsVet Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 A GM will only accept the job if they've got a measure of control over the team. If I'm a prospective candidate, I get assurance that no one outside of the people I hire in the front office interferes in football operations, save for ownership. Anyone else, specifically Russ "Mr. Smithers" Brandon will have nothing to do with decision making on that side of the house. Period. That hasn't been the case at any point in the 16 years of failure.
liverpoolkev Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Rankings for me Top Tier - Likely wont accept an interview (but still reaching out) Eric DeCosta Eliot Wolf Nick Caserio 2nd Tier - Were I would likely be picking from (hopefully) 1. Trent Kirchner - As much as I hate the Seahawks I would love to poach their FO. This team as an amazing eye for talent in all rounds as well as finding the lower end UFA and turning him into a great player for them. They know the type of player they need on that team and know exactly where to get it. 2. Chris Ballard - One of the better talent evaluators in the game. Also on the Chiefs some might say are not overly talented however they like Seahawks know the type of player that they need. He was integral in helping Chiefs GM Dorsey remake a 2-14 roster into back to back winning seasons. Also a former coach, so knows and has shown how to connect with coaching staffs to see what type of player they need to fit the systems they want to run. The other one that I think will be a good GM is Jim Manos - but that would be a Hard sell to Bills fans promoting from within. However he is very respected in this league and will start getting interviews soon enough I think. Everyone who want to replace Doug is wasting there time. Like it or not he is here for the long haul Kim & Terry love him. Stop hitting your head against that rock and look for players for a coach that can utilize the Talent . Hugh Jackson or Schwartz sure look nice right about now.
8-8 Forever? Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 We don't have a problem with GM/Talent evaluation; Whaley is as good as they get at that. We have the most talented roster in 10-15 years. Pegs probably just picked the wrong head coach whom the game may have passed by a bit. That can be fixed (of course at the expense of half dozen more losing seasons....)
BillsFanMike Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Change the coach. Keep the GM. This time don't let Russ Brandon be in the room when we hire a new coach.
May Day 10 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 We don't have a problem with GM/Talent evaluation; Whaley is as good as they get at that. We have the most talented roster in 10-15 years. Pegs probably just picked the wrong head coach whom the game may have passed by a bit. That can be fixed (of course at the expense of half dozen more losing seasons....) So do we just go with the status quo if this season crashes and burns? Fire the head coach... who chooses a new one? Do we trust Pegula/Brandon/Whaley who brought Rex? Brandon/Whaley who brought Marrone? I like Whaley for the most part... but to me, it doesn't seem like he runs a tight ship. Always seems pretty laid back and nonchalant. Not necessarily a bad thing, but for a position like that, I would prefer someone a little higher strung. He is very good at finding defensive players (although the defense is burning down). He has yet to find any real offensive players to the point that there are major depth issues across the board, and it doesn't look to get much better Even if they keep Whaley and/or Rex, there is going to be an ultimatum, real or implied, which will cause people to act in a way that is not the best for the Bills' future. That is what brought about the Watkins trade and I am sure they would possibly reach in the 2017 draft and offseason. Maybe double down and keep Tyrod around when it wouldnt be great for the future. IMO the best thing they can do is bring in someone from the outside with no connections and empower them to build from the top down. The sooner they do it, the better. It IS going to happen. It is whether we want to wait a few more years of this to get started or not
MAJBobby Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 So do we just go with the status quo if this season crashes and burns? Fire the head coach... who chooses a new one? Do we trust Pegula/Brandon/Whaley who brought Rex? Brandon/Whaley who brought Marrone? I like Whaley for the most part... but to me, it doesn't seem like he runs a tight ship. Always seems pretty laid back and nonchalant. Not necessarily a bad thing, but for a position like that, I would prefer someone a little higher strung. He is very good at finding defensive players (although the defense is burning down). He has yet to find any real offensive players to the point that there are major depth issues across the board, and it doesn't look to get much better Even if they keep Whaley and/or Rex, there is going to be an ultimatum, real or implied, which will cause people to act in a way that is not the best for the Bills' future. That is what brought about the Watkins trade and I am sure they would possibly reach in the 2017 draft and offseason. Maybe double down and keep Tyrod around when it wouldnt be great for the future. IMO the best thing they can do is bring in someone from the outside with no connections and empower them to build from the top down. The sooner they do it, the better. It IS going to happen. It is whether we want to wait a few more years of this to get started or not Brandon has way to much influence on the Football side of the house, and the way the Power Structure is at Buffalo they have made Whaley nothing more than a Head Scout.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Rankings for me Top Tier - Likely wont accept an interview (but still reaching out) Eric DeCosta Eliot Wolf Nick Caserio 2nd Tier - Were I would likely be picking from (hopefully) 1. Trent Kirchner - As much as I hate the Seahawks I would love to poach their FO. This team as an amazing eye for talent in all rounds as well as finding the lower end UFA and turning him into a great player for them. They know the type of player they need on that team and know exactly where to get it. 2. Chris Ballard - One of the better talent evaluators in the game. Also on the Chiefs some might say are not overly talented however they like Seahawks know the type of player that they need. He was integral in helping Chiefs GM Dorsey remake a 2-14 roster into back to back winning seasons. Also a former coach, so knows and has shown how to connect with coaching staffs to see what type of player they need to fit the systems they want to run. The other one that I think will be a good GM is Jim Manos - but that would be a Hard sell to Bills fans promoting from within. However he is very respected in this league and will start getting interviews soon enough I think. got any NO WAY candidates? Whoever knows what an NFL QB should look like is the guy I want. I don't care if hew whiffs on everything else - FIND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT A QB SHOULD LOOK LIKE! they work for the eagles. We don't have a problem with GM/Talent evaluation; Whaley is as good as they get at that. We have the most talented roster in 10-15 years. Pegs probably just picked the wrong head coach whom the game may have passed by a bit. That can be fixed (of course at the expense of half dozen more losing seasons....) sure we do, that's why we are continually in mediocrity and what he has done for offensive talent is quite poor but has been decent with defense.
offyourocker Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 I am happy with Whaley. I wish he had control on the coach choice. I don't think he did with Rex. I think he brings in quality players every year through the draft.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Change the coach. Keep the GM. This time don't let Russ Brandon anyone but Whaley be in the room when we hire a new coach.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 Everyone who want to replace Doug is wasting there time. Like it or not he is here for the long haul Kim & Terry love him. Stop hitting your head against that rock and look for players for a coach that can utilize the Talent . Hugh Jackson or Schwartz sure look nice right about now. Wouldn't you say the same about Brandon?
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