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Detroit, and Matthew Staffford have looked a lot better on offense since the mid season naming of Jim Bob Cooter as OC.....(just had to get a Jim Bob Cooter reference in)

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is there any Stats showing how successful firing a OC and/or DC is?

You spend all off season and training camp installing a system. I don't believe it's realistic to change systems during the season, so what will change? Play calling? Talent hasn't changed. When you fire the OC you are saying the talent is there, but it's not being utilized to it's potential. I don't know what to expect, but I'm not optimistic.

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agreed.

 

Geez yolo I was counting you for stats, hopefully 26 come by :D

You spend all off season and training camp installing a system. I don't believe it's realistic to change systems during the season, so what will change? Play calling? Talent hasn't changed. When you fire the OC you are saying the talent is there, but it's not being utilized to it's potential. I don't know what to expect, but I'm not optimistic.

 

me neither but coaches need to use players to their talents not to what the coach wants to do.

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Mentioned Cam Cameron in Baltimore (went on to win the SB after he was fired) in another thread.

 

I thought of another one - Pep Hamilton in Indy last year. He was looked at as a scapegoat for Pagano. They had Chud, assistant HC, waiting in the wings. And he's much better IMO. Pep is now the OC in Cleveland. And ironically his scheme is similar to Roman, as both coached at Stanford.

 

I don't know about stats with the colts because luck was hurt last year so much but Chud>Pep.

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Detroit, and Matthew Staffford have looked a lot better on offense since the mid season naming of Jim Bob Cooter as OC.....(just had to get a Jim Bob Cooter reference in)

Actually, they talked about this on a radio show one day before the season and its actually quite impressive what a man named "Jim Bob Cooter" was able to do in such a short time to change the offence on that team. In the time frame of a Bye Week he redid the entire offence and actually had them improved on the field.

You spend all off season and training camp installing a system. I don't believe it's realistic to change systems during the season, so what will change? Play calling? Talent hasn't changed. When you fire the OC you are saying the talent is there, but it's not being utilized to it's potential. I don't know what to expect, but I'm not optimistic.

Thats true, but the idea is that it can shake up the thinking around the team and sometimes wakes people up. You won't see a DC get fired and a team change its scheme from a 3-4 to 4-3 in season, but you may see a co-ordinator come in and use the players a littel differently and maybe dig into different areas of the playbook then what the recently released guy was doing.

 

In the Bills case, sounds like the playbook and terminology will stay the same, but Lynn may use different areas of the playbook that Roman was leaving out, or may change up play calling from Run, Run, Pass to Pass, Run, Pass. This can help sometimes, just like he may decide that they need to run the ball more with 2 RBs in the backfield instead of one, or throw more to the TEs instead of screen passes to WRs (BTW, I am not saying the Bills are going to, or have done any of this stuff, just giving examples of how things could change while staying the same)

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You spend all off season and training camp installing a system. I don't believe it's realistic to change systems during the season, so what will change? Play calling? Talent hasn't changed. When you fire the OC you are saying the talent is there, but it's not being utilized to it's potential. I don't know what to expect, but I'm not optimistic.

 

Not sure how anyone would think we're going to switch schemes/playbook at this point.

 

The main difference will be game-planning and play-calling, and hopefully waking up a few dormant players.

 

If Flynn does nothing else but get in Tyrod's face and force him to throw the ball quickly and with anticipation, it will be a win. But we'll see...

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Every team throws multiple WR screens a game. Third and 1 and the Jets throw a WR screen. The Bills trot out the back-up QB to bark. Peyton threw them. Brady and Brees throw them. They are easy ways to get the ball into the WR's hands. Teams are defending the WR screen better but it is still a good play, especially with willing and capable WR blockers

Most teams run screens to the WR and TE. Maybe they are worried TT is too short to throw the screen over on-rushing defenders.

Most teams with mobile QB's let their QB run. TT is small but he takes more shots in the pocket than on the run.

 

A change can make a difference.

 

However an OC can't help TT complete simple out patterns to wide open receivers or prevent TT from throwing the ball a foot over the outstretched hands of a wide-open RB on third down

 

TT has to play better. But the new OC can put him in better spots.

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This reminds me a lot of Dick firing Turk the week before the season and promoting Van Pelt. Hopefully it works better.

 

Seems like the Raisins rolled on after the fired Cam.

Gugny Hall of Famer

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My take:

 

If an in-season firing occurs, then I think that's the organization doing a couple things - a) acknowledging that they know there's no chance in hell at getting to the post-season and b) taking away any awkwardness/need for secrecy as they openly search for a new coach.

 

If the Pegulas already know this season's in the crapper (how could they not), then I wish they would just cut to the chase and get rid of the Ryans. Firing Roman was asinine. If anything, the Ryans should have been fired and Roman should have been named interim HC.

 

My fear is that the Pegulas aren't the type to say, "whoops, guess we fuct that one up," and immediately start to fix the problem. Even though that's exactly what this team needs.

 

Instead, the likelihood is that the Ryans will stay on for the entire season and the Bills organization will waste yet another entire season when they could be actively making some progress in their search for a new coaching staff and possibly front office.

 

But the merch sales and advertising $$$ will always win out over assembling a winning product, I'm afraid.

 

The Ryans should be fired today. If not today, then tomorrow. Enough of this crap. It's not funny, or fun, anymore.

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The firing of Roman says to me that the talent is there but isn't being utilized.

 

This isn't going to be a system change, that's not possible in-season, but a change on how the plays are used and when they are called. They'll still use the same concepts, Palmer is still there.

 

Roman got a lot of criticism in SF for some similar things we have seen here. No urgency, no adjustments and slow to get plays in. Who can forget the final drive of the SF Super Bowl when they had to burn a TO to avoid a delay of game. Saying all that Roman designs some very good pays.

 

Remains to be seen if this will fix anything at all. I doubt it will.

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You spend all off season and training camp installing a system. I don't believe it's realistic to change systems during the season, so what will change? Play calling? Talent hasn't changed. When you fire the OC you are saying the talent is there, but it's not being utilized to it's potential. I don't know what to expect, but I'm not optimistic.

I think there can be significant changes to the game day side of things in three areas. 1. There's always the possibility that Lynn knows how to communicate a play in fewer than 25 seconds so that the offense can get to the line before the numbers on my screen start flashing in bright red! 2. You might also see the use of some basic concepts like a bubble screen or quick-hitting run plays. The lack of simple plays which help get an offense in a flow has been a problem all along. 3. The use of 10-15 yard routes utilizing the middle of the field as well as play action fakes could get Tyrod rolling. All three of these improvements are available regardless of what the system looks like on paper.

Don't forget David Blatt/Tyrann Lu!

 

Ha

I forgot about that. 17-2 baby! Super Bowl LI here we come.

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The firing of Roman says to me that the talent is there but isn't being utilized.

 

This isn't going to be a system change, that's not possible in-season, but a change on how the plays are used and when they are called. They'll still use the same concepts, Palmer is still there.

 

Roman got a lot of criticism in SF for some similar things we have seen here. No urgency, no adjustments and slow to get plays in. Who can forget the final drive of the SF Super Bowl when they had to burn a TO to avoid a delay of game. Saying all that Roman designs some very good pays.

 

Remains to be seen if this will fix anything at all. I doubt it will.

 

With all due respect, Wayne, you're criticizing Roman's play calling in the Super Bowl. They didn't get there by playing poorly. He has shown that he knows how to utilize the talent that's given to him. Unfortunately, he wasn't given any talent at the most important position on the offense in Buffalo.

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My take:

 

If an in-season firing occurs, then I think that's the organization doing a couple things - a) acknowledging that they know there's no chance in hell at getting to the post-season and b) taking away any awkwardness/need for secrecy as they openly search for a new coach.

 

If the Pegulas already know this season's in the crapper (how could they not), then I wish they would just cut to the chase and get rid of the Ryans. Firing Roman was asinine. If anything, the Ryans should have been fired and Roman should have been named interim HC.

 

My fear is that the Pegulas aren't the type to say, "whoops, guess we fuct that one up," and immediately start to fix the problem. Even though that's exactly what this team needs.

 

Instead, the likelihood is that the Ryans will stay on for the entire season and the Bills organization will waste yet another entire season when they could be actively making some progress in their search for a new coaching staff and possibly front office.

 

But the merch sales and advertising $$$ will always win out over assembling a winning product, I'm afraid.

 

The Ryans should be fired today. If not today, then tomorrow. Enough of this crap. It's not funny, or fun, anymore.

Disagree... Firing the whole coaching staff after 2 games, 18 games total... There's no coach in football who would fall on that sword

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Disagree... Firing the whole coaching staff after 2 games, 18 games total... There's no coach in football who would fall on that sword

 

Under normal circumstances, I think you'd be absolutely right.

 

These are not normal circumstances. This team has regressed .. BADLY .. in the last two years. Looking at the Bills' schedule, if everyone was to take off their "Bills fan goggles," it's pretty easy to see they're not going anywhere.

 

Why wait? There's nothing good that can come out of it.

 

EDIT: Let me make very clear, this is not a call to "tank" the season. It's just a call to get rid of the coaching staff. A new coaching staff is not going to make this team lose any more games than they will under the current coaching staff.

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