mannc Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Let's face it, the Bills will not ever be a winning team without a real franchise QB. They haven't been fortunate enough to luck into a great one. With finishing between 6-10 and 9-7, the Bills are too high on the draft board to pick a franchise QB.I assume you're just being sarcastic. In just the past few years the Seahawks, Cowboys, Redskins and Raiders have found franchise QBs outside of the first round of the draft. Prescott and Carr are leading MVP candidates. There are good QBs out there almost every year. You just need to be able to identify them.
Fadingpain Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 I assume you're just being sarcastic. In just the past few years the Seahawks, Cowboys, Redskins and Raiders have found franchise QBs outside of the first round of the draft. Prescott and Carr are leading MVP candidates. There are good QBs out there almost every year. You just need to be able to identify them. And then actually draft one now and again. Have a look at how many QBs the Bills have drafted going back like 15 or 20 years. It's not that many. But hey, why would you want to keep taking a shot at getting the most important position in all of N. American team sports, especially when you don't have a good QB already!?
papazoid Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 you will NEVER get players and coaches to "tank". their future livelihoods are at stake, either on current or other team. now a GM or owner may try to tank....see colts pre Luck.
Fadingpain Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 you will NEVER get players and coaches to "tank". their future livelihoods are at stake, either on current or other team. now a GM or owner may try to tank....see colts pre Luck. You obviously don't understand how the tank concept works. It doesn't mean the players don't try or the coach deliberately makes decisions which hurt the team.
Mr. WEO Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 However long it takes to get some elite talent, especially at the QB position. why not just hire a GM who can recognize QB talent in the draft?
Jerry Jabber Posted December 6, 2016 Author Posted December 6, 2016 why not just hire a GM who can recognize QB talent in the draft? IMO, the Pegula's are making the same mistakes with the Bills as they did with the Sabres. They should have cleaned house when they purchased the Sabres, but instead they gave everyone a couple of years before they decided to tear everything down and start to tank. The Pegula's should have cleaned house in the offseason right after they purchased the Bills. And then actually draft one now and again. Have a look at how many QBs the Bills have drafted going back like 15 or 20 years. It's not that many. But hey, why would you want to keep taking a shot at getting the most important position in all of N. American team sports, especially when you don't have a good QB already!? +1
Utah John Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Tanking like the Sabres. Huh. Look how well the Sabres are doing. The Edmonton Oilers tanked (or at least loss massively, for several years) and they got nowhere although are finally getting better. The Cleveland Browns keep on losing. They get high draft picks (and some gifts from the Bills) and they're still a joke. RGIII? Really?? Tanking is not the answer. Better coaching and better drafting and better FAs and better play is the answer. All things within the team's control, if not their ability.
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 working so well for the sabers . Tank for who ? the red shirt usc qb ? I mean come on
Jerry Jabber Posted December 6, 2016 Author Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) Tanking like the Sabres. Huh. Look how well the Sabres are doing. The Edmonton Oilers tanked (or at least loss massively, for several years) and they got nowhere although are finally getting better. The Cleveland Browns keep on losing. They get high draft picks (and some gifts from the Bills) and they're still a joke. RGIII? Really?? Tanking is not the answer. Better coaching and better drafting and better FAs and better play is the answer. All things within the team's control, if not their ability. I'm sure Browns fans said the same things about Belichek back in the 90's. Is better coaching going to help Taylor with his accuracy issues, finding open receivers, and holding onto the ball way too long? Coaching only goes so far. You need good players at key positions, especially at the QB position. Edited December 6, 2016 by Jerry Jabber
Jerry Jabber Posted December 6, 2016 Author Posted December 6, 2016 working so well for the sabers . Tank for who ? the red shirt usc qb ? I mean come on It doesn't have to always be for a QB.
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 It doesn't have to always be for a QB. at this point it has to be a qb. They have or had above the margin to elite players a various positions over the years. The thing they haven't had is a qb You want to tank and it won't happen you do it for the next peyton or Luck
K D Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 The problem with this team for the past 20 years has been the recurring theme that we don't have a QB so let's do the best we can buy having a good RB and good defense. That doesn't work clearly and has left us in NFL purgatory where we aren't good enough to make the playoffs but not bad enough to get top draft picks. Build up the offensive line, get a QB, screw the rest of the team. If we find a QB and put up 30 points and 300 yards passing a game we don't need a great defense
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 The problem with this team for the past 20 years has been the recurring theme that we don't have a QB so let's do the best we can buy having a good RB and good defense. That doesn't work clearly and has left us in NFL purgatory where we aren't good enough to make the playoffs but not bad enough to get top draft picks. Build up the offensive line, get a QB, screw the rest of the team. If we find a QB and put up 30 points and 300 yards passing a game we don't need a great defense we watched it first hand last week. At this point using a top three pick on a qb every year until you find one is in order. Nothing will change without one . For the record I bought into the build the whole roster idea for a long time , this year has changed my mind
26CornerBlitz Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 The problem with this team for the past 20 years has been the recurring theme that we don't have a QB so let's do the best we can buy having a good RB and good defense. That doesn't work clearly and has left us in NFL purgatory where we aren't good enough to make the playoffs but not bad enough to get top draft picks. Build up the offensive line, get a QB, screw the rest of the team. If we find a QB and put up 30 points and 300 yards passing a game we don't need a great defense The success of two of the last three Super Bowl Champions (Seahawks and Broncos) say this isn't the case.
Jerry Jabber Posted December 6, 2016 Author Posted December 6, 2016 at this point it has to be a qb. They have or had above the margin to elite players a various positions over the years. The thing they haven't had is a qb You want to tank and it won't happen you do it for the next peyton or Luck Bruce Smith was picked #1 overall by the Bills. The Bills need to tank for more than one year, just like in the 80's. I agree, a QB is a must, but only when a great one is available.
K D Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 The success of two of the last three Super Bowl Champions (Seahawks and Broncos) say this isn't the case. Peyton Manning and Russel Wilson and 2 of the top 10 defenses in NFL history. That is not a model we can easily replicate. Tried for 20 years. Doesn't work. Get the QB, build the line
26CornerBlitz Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Peyton Manning and Russel Wilson and 2 of the top 10 defenses in NFL history. That is not a model we can easily replicate. Tried for 20 years. Doesn't work. Get the QB, build the line They definitely need a top level QB, but you can't tell me that having a good defense doesn't matter. BTW, Manning was terrible last season but they won the whole thing in spite of him.
May Day 10 Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Tanking like the Sabres. Huh. Look how well the Sabres are doing. The Edmonton Oilers tanked (or at least loss massively, for several years) and they got nowhere although are finally getting better. The Cleveland Browns keep on losing. They get high draft picks (and some gifts from the Bills) and they're still a joke. RGIII? Really?? Tanking is not the answer. Better coaching and better drafting and better FAs and better play is the answer. All things within the team's control, if not their ability. It is multi-faceted for sure. In Hockey, 'tanking' is more important. The top of the draft more often produces a top tier star. Due to how the league is structured... these types of players tend to stick with their team all or most of their careers. If they do change, Small Market teams are normally not the preferred destination. That is why Regier and Pegula felt that the Sabres needed to purge the roster and acquire a few top picks. But... where the Oilers failed, is they missed on every single other pick they took. FAs wont consider Edmonton (it is an outpost... and their owner is a snake).... repeatedly failed to find a competent goaltender and they failed miserably in building a team. There is a balance. Need to stratify the roster a bit age-wise. Try not to lose anything for nothing, accumulate assets, wise FA decisions. Quantity of draft picks to increase the odds of hitting on some. It isnt too much different than what the Bills need to do... but in the NFL, acute tanking does not necessarily provide a franchise cornerstone for 15-20 years. With increasing frequency, good QBs are to be had later than the top 3 picks.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 It is multi-faceted for sure. In Hockey, 'tanking' is more important. The top of the draft more often produces a top tier star. Due to how the league is structured... these types of players tend to stick with their team all or most of their careers. If they do change, Small Market teams are normally not the preferred destination. That is why Regier and Pegula felt that the Sabres needed to purge the roster and acquire a few top picks. But... where the Oilers failed, is they missed on every single other pick they took. FAs wont consider Edmonton (it is an outpost... and their owner is a snake).... repeatedly failed to find a competent goaltender and they failed miserably in building a team. There is a balance. Need to stratify the roster a bit age-wise. Try not to lose anything for nothing, accumulate assets, wise FA decisions. Quantity of draft picks to increase the odds of hitting on some. It isnt too much different than what the Bills need to do... but in the NFL, acute tanking does not necessarily provide a franchise cornerstone for 15-20 years. With increasing frequency, good QBs are to be had later than the top 3 picks. False!
Chuck Wagon Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 why not just hire a GM who can recognize QB talent in the draft? It doesn't matter if you have the "QB Whisperer" making draft picks. If you don't put players in a position to succeed they won't succeed. Dallas has the best Oline in the league, a stud RB chewing up yards and clock and Dez Bryant, not to mention Witten and a nice safety blanket in Beasley. People are opening questioning if Aaron Rodgers is done as a top QB, if you switched those two guys out Rodgers would be running away with league MVP and Prescott would be just another 4th round QB.
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