Willing to discuss changes.....but lets discuss options

[Prickly Pete]

 

But why? Honest question, which I think ties back to OP's original point.

 

And then what?

 

Is there a new coach, GM, or anyone else who would improve our chances to Win the Superbowl This Year? Because that must be the goal. Not to "improve." Not to be "competitive" and not to "make the playoffs." The solid teams never think this way, even though they are required to say so in the media. But no, they are out to cut your throat.

 

So, we fire Rex, hire somebody else, and now we are paying 2 coaches. And we fire Rob and give him his nice walk-away cash too. Then what?

 

Somebody said coughlin. Meh, but maybe. Feels like a stop-gap at best. Me, I want the smartest man in the room, whoever that is, cause we havent had that coaching the bills in forever.

 

To put the team on notice that there are jobs at stake.

 

It doesn't have to be the HC, or the GM, it could be an assistant, or a player cut or traded.

Edited September 16, 2016 by HoF Watkins

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Let's let the matketing team run football operations. Clearly they are the only people who are great at their jobs in the Bills organazation. They get us to keep watching this giant turd of a team every year.

 

Also more mean tweets and catchy slogans like all in, run deep, and "this team doesn't suck as bad as you think" should be the next slogan.

To some extent they already do.

[Maury Ballstein]

I'd fire Roman today.

 

That's my proposed change.

 

I don't know why it is so hard to emulate what made McCoy successful in Philadelphia.

 

I don't know why he got cute and abandoned what worked last year.

This. Roman is trash.

[NoSaint]

I'd fire Roman today.

 

That's my proposed change.

 

I don't know why it is so hard to emulate what made McCoy successful in Philadelphia.

 

I don't know why he got cute and abandoned what worked last year.

i like roman, but we have personnel that should be running a chan scheme (assuming you could get TT to throw in the middle after creating more space).

[Reed83HOF]

if only it moved the sticks...

 

I'm still not exactly sure why EJ is our short yardage back either.

 

He was the 16th pick a couple years ago...

[aristocrat]

Interesting question: who has real trade value on this team? We need to take into account contracts/guaranteed money, etc.

 

1. Watkins, if healthy. Affordable through 2017.

 

2. Gilmore, if he doesn't keep sucking. A rest of 2016 rental for a contender desperately in need of a CB.

 

3. Woods. Same thing, but you wouldn't get much for him.

 

4. Darby. But trading him wouldn't make much sense since he's cost-controlled for a couple more years.

 

5. Wood. But that would be a salary dump, with nothing of value in return. I think he's playing well enough and his contract is market value so that you could move him if motivated. And I would.

 

6. Hughes. He's got a pretty big contract, but he's playing well and the edge rusher is in high demand in today's NFL.

 

The ill-advised contracts I'd like to dump are un-dumpable: McCoy, Dareus, Clay, even Cordy. That's the killer for a rebuild. Too much dead wood.

 

i dont think we can trade sammy as we would take on dead cap hit of 11 mil which is 5 mil more than his current cap hit so we'd have to wait until off season. if we trade him then it's a 6mil dead hit next year. very manageable. gilmore can be traded no problem right now.

 

hughes we keep as we need to keep talent so the new coaching staff can just come in and have talent.

[Reed83HOF]

i like roman, but we have personnel that should be running a chan scheme (assuming you could get TT to throw in the middle after creating more space).

 

Good coaches adjust their scheme to the talent; we don't do that. We change a coach and change scheme which leads us to play players in a scheme they suck in while we add and subtract players to fit the scheme. In Bills fashion, once we have the players we have already learned that we blew it with the coaching staff. Rinse and Repeat.

 

What irks me the most is that, we are so far from being a well-coached team, it doesn't matter what you have for players. What I saw last night was more bumbling around with blow time outs and a dumb challenge on a 4 yard play (I know at least we got one right, but come on). Down by 2 scores and we move like we are playing in cement shoes, zero urgency, not more than one play called at a time, Clay (IIRC) instead of going out of bounds he turns inside and loses more time for us. The basic fundamentals are not being taught. As far as the offense goes, you have Roman, Palmer and Kromer - no one teaches this?

[BrooklynBills]

Any talk of hiring a new coach without discussing cleaning house in the front office is a waste of time. I do not want the following people to have any input in the hiring of a new coach:

 

Terry Pegula

Kim Pegula

Doug Whaley

Russ Brandon

 

This is Pegula's mess. He was offered help from the NFL via a consultant after Marrone opted out and he denied the help. He let Brandon have a seat at the table influencing his decision making. He let a green, over-his-head GM run the coach search. Do you remember the coaching search, where they literally interviewed everyone, had zero direction, and ended up picking a safe, retread coach? It was a joke. They picked Ryan on his past performance with no vision of where the league is headed.

 

As far as what the Pegulas should do to fix everything:

 

1. Clean house. Literally everyone.

2. Hire a consultant(Ron Wolf/Charlie Casserly)

3. Sign the checks

[Reed83HOF]

Time to let the stadium be empty and bring the brown bags back. I'm over it....

[Bookie Man]

Imagine what he be like with a Rogers, Bree's, Brady throwing him the football? I bet 1000 + yard and 8-9 TD's

Those are actually his numbers from last year. If he even had a halfway competent passer throwing to him, he'd probably in the 1300 10-12 TDS range.

[ndirish1978]

Absolutely the fans need to voice their displeasure publicly and not just complain to each other. Brown baggin it seems like a good idea

[May Day 10]

Any talk of hiring a new coach without discussing cleaning house in the front office is a waste of time. I do not want the following people to have any input in the hiring of a new coach:

 

Terry Pegula

Kim Pegula

Doug Whaley

Russ Brandon

 

This is Pegula's mess. He was offered help from the NFL via a consultant after Marrone opted out and he denied the help. He let Brandon have a seat at the table influencing his decision making. He let a green, over-his-head GM run the coach search. Do you remember the coaching search, where they literally interviewed everyone, had zero direction, and ended up picking a safe, retread coach? It was a joke. They picked Ryan on his past performance with no vision of where the league is headed.

 

As far as what the Pegulas should do to fix everything:

 

1. Clean house. Literally everyone.

2. Hire a consultant(Ron Wolf/Charlie Casserly)

3. Sign the checks

 

 

This is right on for me. Getting rid of coaches doesnt mean a thing if these same people are allowed to "select" another coaching staff.

[The Frankish Reich]

Well, our former brain trust of Marrone and Hackett are currently O line and QB coach in Jacksonville. I'm kind of pulling for them simply because it would be fun to have them start winning something before the Bills do.

[Nihilarian]

Like I've been saying for years. This team is desperate for a senior NFL football man at the top of the org like a team president of football operations and then let him make all the football decisions!

[baskingridgebillsfan]

Any talk of hiring a new coach without discussing cleaning house in the front office is a waste of time. I do not want the following people to have any input in the hiring of a new coach:

 

Terry Pegula

Kim Pegula

Doug Whaley

Russ Brandon

 

This is Pegula's mess. He was offered help from the NFL via a consultant after Marrone opted out and he denied the help. He let Brandon have a seat at the table influencing his decision making. He let a green, over-his-head GM run the coach search. Do you remember the coaching search, where they literally interviewed everyone, had zero direction, and ended up picking a safe, retread coach? It was a joke. They picked Ryan on his past performance with no vision of where the league is headed.

 

As far as what the Pegulas should do to fix everything:

 

1. Clean house. Literally everyone.

2. Hire a consultant(Ron Wolf/Charlie Casserly)

3. Sign the checks

Brandon should never be allowed in a football discussion again that does not involve tickets

[offsides#76FredSmerlas]

Please note where I said to ditch everything in week 3. I just disagreed with hiring Pettine- our defense stunk under him, how many 200 yard rushing games did we give up?

We led the league in sacks and were among the leaders in take aways. I guess you have the opinion that we stunk and that's fine, your entitled but I don't feel we stunk. We did need to improve against the run but Rex has proved his defenses can't get anything done. I just think if you hire a different defensive coach with a whole new approach you can throw this season away because it will take time to learn. I would bet that most fans would take Pettine over Rex and the gang in a heartbeat.

[macaroni]

IMHO ... fire Rob .... we have a defensive "genius" as our head coach ... we have a defensive coordinator in Dennis Thurman ... and we have a defensive consultant who is here not because of nepotism, but because he's a "damn good coach" (according to Rex), and we can't stop Ryan freakin' Fitzpatrick for gods sake

 

Could the problem be that too many cooks spoil the broth???

 

If I were the GM, I'm showing Rob the door today and telling Rex if the ship isn't righted real REAL soon he's next.

 

 

just my 2 cents

[Prickly Pete]

Bring this guy in for an interview, after the CFL season is over.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Austin

[maddenboy]

Any talk of hiring a new coach without discussing cleaning house in the front office is a waste of time. I do not want the following people to have any input in the hiring of a new coach:

 

Terry Pegula

Kim Pegula

Doug Whaley

Russ Brandon

 

This is Pegula's mess. He was offered help from the NFL via a consultant after Marrone opted out and he denied the help. He let Brandon have a seat at the table influencing his decision making. He let a green, over-his-head GM run the coach search. Do you remember the coaching search, where they literally interviewed everyone, had zero direction, and ended up picking a safe, retread coach? It was a joke. They picked Ryan on his past performance with no vision of where the league is headed.

 

As far as what the Pegulas should do to fix everything:

 

1. Clean house. Literally everyone.

2. Hire a consultant(Ron Wolf/Charlie Casserly)

3. Sign the checks

 

I really like this clear, level-headed thinking.

 

I take one exception: Whaley seems to be great at finding talent, in the draft or FA. We should try to keep him around until he becomes less "green" about the total duty package of an NFL gm. Maybe condition the new GM has to keep Whaley as AGM?

Edited September 16, 2016 by maddenboy

[BrooklynBills]

 

I really like this clear, level-headed thinking.

 

I take one exception: Whaley seems to be great at finding talent, in the draft or FA. We should try to keep him around until he becomes less "green" about the total duty package of an NFL gm. Maybe condition the new GM has to keep Whaley as AGM?

Glenn and Watkins are the only talented offensive players he has drafted since has been here, including when he was assistant GM. Anyone could have made the Watkins pick(BTW he isn't even the best WR in that draft) and the Glenn pick is an abherration when you look at all the other offensive "talent" that he has drafted.