Jobu Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Thompson has already announced his retirement in GB after the 18 season. Lot's of speculation about who will replace him. Smart money is on Elliott Wolf. I would be all for rolling the dice on young potential.
LabattBlue Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 The owner? I'd agree. Pegula should get a football guru in here to make all football decisions and stay the hell away. Your preaching to the choir....especially the bolded part. I know it is his team and he has the right to be involved as he wants, but it is absolutely the worst thing for the organization. It is not a toy...but then again no matter how badly you f*** it up, it will make you wheelbarrows full of money. Who is going to make him see the light that the more removed he is from football operations, the better off the team will be? My guess is no one.
BaaadThingsMan Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Pegulas aren't the problem. They'll get it right next time.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Without the Pegula's we may of lost the Bills. My hope is that like any great business people, Terry and Kim will learn and get better.
mannc Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Without the Pegula's we may of lost the Bills. My hope is that like any great business people, Terry and Kim will learn and get better. Dan Snyder is a great businessman, too. So was Ralph Wilson and probably Donald Sterling. There really is no correlation between that and knowing how to run a professional sports team.
xsoldier54 Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Greg Gabriel @greggabe 2m2 minutes ago Been a Bills fan since their beginning in 1960 (except when they played clubs I worked for) and this is tuff to watch. So undisciplined Me too. I had the original team picture on my wall as a kid and I remember the AFL championship teams. Watching this version of my favorite team is excrutiating.
MPT Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Does he want a job? I think we may have a GM position opening up soon. It wasn't just the hiring of Rex, but the ramifications on the elite defense with a totally different system. That was a championship quality defense that was destroyed with the hire. Also, for some reason, Marrone didn't want to work for Pegula. Maybe he was smarter than we give him credit for. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he left because he couldn't work with Whaley?
QB Bills Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 The Pegulas have their hearts in the right place. I think their wanting-to-win vs. turning-a-profit ratio is at a level that the fans should be very happy with and one that's already higher than many of the owners out there. Unlike years past, the Bills are in good shape macro-wise. It may take some time but I have faith that they'll get it right eventually.
May Day 10 Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Does he want a job? I think we may have a GM position opening up soon. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he left because he couldn't work with Whaley? the 'narrative' was he wanted more money and power. I tend to think there is more to the fire where the "lifers" vs new guys smoke was
8-8 Forever? Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 The Pegulas hired sexy Rexy when they had a top-four defense. Terrible decision. They are part of the problem. Yes they are the source of the problem. But hey they saved the franchise, so they can do whatever they want It wasn't just the hiring of Rex, but the ramifications on the elite defense with a totally different system. That was a championship quality defense that was destroyed with the hire. Also, for some reason, Marrone didn't want to work for Pegula. Maybe he was smarter than we give him credit for. not true, Marrone just wanted a contract extension to ensure that he was Peg's guy for a few years. Pegs refused, tipping Marrone off that Pegs was geting his own guy. Marrone properly pulled the ripcord on his golden parachute he (very wisely) put in his contract with the soon-to-be-replaced Ralph W. (RIP). Marrone was the smartest guy in all of this, followed by Rex who charmed his way into a $20+M contract, followed by Whaley, who somehow got to stay when the coaching staff left, followed by Pegs, who pretty much pooped the bed on his first coaching hire.
tennesseeboy Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 The Bills played horrid offense in game 1 and horrid defense in game 2. I think the offense appears to be legitimately weak with a poor offensive line and not much in the running game. HOWEVER, it isn't the worse team we have ever had, not even the worst team we have had since our last playoff game. When Dareus and maybe Shaq get into the lineup we should be somewhat better and we have two offensive tackle out of play right not who should get back. No playoffs on the horizon but probably a 7 or 8 win season. That being said I don't think seven or eight wins are going to be enough to justify keeping either Ryan and probably not enough to keep Whaley. I understand the "snake bit" by injury excuse, but it always is there and other teams (such as the hated Patriots) seem to overcome the injury bug and suspension bug. Ryan's game day clock management, use of challenges and timeouts, and tolerance for really stupid penalties are not showing any sign of improvement.
Reed83HOF Posted September 16, 2016 Author Posted September 16, 2016 The Bills played horrid offense in game 1 and horrid defense in game 2. I think the offense appears to be legitimately weak with a poor offensive line and not much in the running game. HOWEVER, it isn't the worse team we have ever had, not even the worst team we have had since our last playoff game. When Dareus and maybe Shaq get into the lineup we should be somewhat better and we have two offensive tackle out of play right not who should get back. No playoffs on the horizon but probably a 7 or 8 win season. That being said I don't think seven or eight wins are going to be enough to justify keeping either Ryan and probably not enough to keep Whaley. I understand the "snake bit" by injury excuse, but it always is there and other teams (such as the hated Patriots) seem to overcome the injury bug and suspension bug. Ryan's game day clock management, use of challenges and timeouts, and tolerance for really stupid penalties are not showing any sign of improvement. If Whaley goes, a New GM may not want Rex as the HC. It is better to dump him now then have him be a lame duck with a GM waiting to drop the ax when things go south. You don't want to eliminate GMs based on if they keep the HC or not. Not this team at this time....
Buftex Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 I believe his point was you hire an offense guy that keeps Schwartz, or at least a defense guy that runs a scheme that our elite talent fit Could Schwartz next HC chance come in Buffalo, 2017?
Reed83HOF Posted September 16, 2016 Author Posted September 16, 2016 Greg Gabriel @greggabe 25m25 minutes ago Greg Roman is being made a scapegoat in Buffalo. The offense didn't give up 37 points. Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15m15 minutes ago The Bills D hasn't played worth a dam in the last 2 seasons yet the OC gets fired. That's sounds about right. #saveyourass Greg Gabriel @greggabe 9m9 minutes ago In the NFL when things go wrong the decision makers start pointing their fingers at subordinates. It's the game of survival and sucks
Dr. K Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 You do remember Marrone quit right? Head coaches hire their own coordinators, etc. How in the hell you can blame this debacle on the Pegulas is just insane. I said at the time that Rex was the wrong hire. I said at the time they should have either promoted Schwartz or hired a qualified OC as head coach with the proviso he would keep Schwartz. The defense was not broken, but by hiring Rex it was a foregone conclusion that he would try to "fix" it--and you saw the result Thursday night. I lay this whole mess at the feet of the Pegulas, for hiring Rex. Whaley did not want to hire him. Yet every yahoo on this board was having orgasms over the Rex hire.
dave mcbride Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Greg Gabriel @greggabe 25m25 minutes ago Greg Roman is being made a scapegoat in Buffalo. The offense didn't give up 37 points. Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15m15 minutes ago The Bills D hasn't played worth a dam in the last 2 seasons yet the OC gets fired. That's sounds about right. #saveyourass Greg Gabriel @greggabe 9m9 minutes ago In the NFL when things go wrong the decision makers start pointing their fingers at subordinates. It's the game of survival and sucks good stuff.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Greg Gabriel @greggabe 25m25 minutes ago Greg Roman is being made a scapegoat in Buffalo. The offense didn't give up 37 points. Greg Gabriel @greggabe 15m15 minutes ago The Bills D hasn't played worth a dam in the last 2 seasons yet the OC gets fired. That's sounds about right. #saveyourass Greg Gabriel @greggabe 9m9 minutes ago In the NFL when things go wrong the decision makers start pointing their fingers at subordinates. It's the game of survival and sucks True, but the offense did suck out loud too.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Greg Gabriel @greggabe 4m4 minutes ago The Bills are one of the most mismanaged, poorly coached teams in the NFL. I feel bad for the Pegula's The Pegulas need to quit being fan boys and actually learn how to run an NFL team. Terry you need to start hanging out with Robert Kraft
LabattBlue Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 The Pegulas need to quit being fan boys and actually learn how to run an that they need to hire someone to run their NFL team. Terry you need to start hanging out with Robert Kraft I fixed your quote.
mannc Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) True, but the offense did suck out loud too.Yep. The idea that the offense is fine because the team scored 31 points is absurd to anyone who actually watched the game. Zero sustained drives until the last possession, when the Jets DB's were lined up in Lackawana. And that 4th and 1 sequence.... Edited September 16, 2016 by mannc
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