seantrel Henderson facing 4 game suspension

[Maury Ballstein]

This is truth

CBD is not "wacky weed"

It does not have the THC compound that gives the euphoric sensation. and it is legal.

 

I just love when folks draw hard lines without fully researching the subject matter.

 

Wacky weed is a stupid term Koolaid used. Regular marijuana does have CBD's fwiw. Edited September 10, 2016 by Ryan L Billz

[3rdand12]

 

That was why I asked. He was contradicting himself.

 

Gupta is a TV personality who has never treated a Crohn's patient, let alone treated one with MJ.

 

As for the article you cited ("leafscience"), it doesn't mention MJ as a treatment for IBD. It does mention THC as a treatment for nausea (I have prescribed it for this). But let's be clear, Henderson was n ot taking THC, he was smoking MJ. His goal was achieving the euphoria it provides (and THC does not).

 

If he failed a test because of prescribed Marinol, he would win an appeal. He didn't. He smoked weed as he is prone to.

I appreciate your perspective. it was just one link to consider.

 

I did not know that Hendy was smoking to treat his affliction. Actually i have no idea how he was treating it.

 

I think you make my point as to why he would be poor candidate for advocacy, most would assume he is "prone" to smoke.

Wacky weed is a stupid term Koolaid used. Regular marijuana does have CBD's fwiw. What are you trying to say and why so snarky bruh ?

because i loathe closed minds.

 

I do not partake but i care very much about folks who suffer. and those that too quickly create a box

I have yet to see a factual breakdown of the chemical composition of the tetra.

 

http://www.livescience.com/24553-what-is-thc.html

 

 

maybe i need some reefers

[Boatdrinks]

Maybe not right thread. But just last weekend I had three boats @ the lock passing around a jay. All caught on camera, on Federal waterway, DoD installation. No biggie I guess, or is it?

...Except the one sad part. The operator of one vessel stoned to the point and his voice joint hoarse... Had an infant daughter onboard. The infant with no PFD on (IL law is PFD on for 13 & under on all open smallboats).

Think the stoners can save the child if she sinks to the bottom of the drink like a penny?

I made them put a PFD on the child and sent them on their merry way. End of story right? Sorta.

Mix in guns now. Dozens of pleasure craft/powerboats on way back from Lake Michigan later on my shift. One boat cuts another off and words were exchanged. One of the boats threatens a family w/gun by saying they will shoot them. Family (perfectly sober mother/father w/8 year old son) calls police before locking back down river... Is afraid to lock down in chamber w/others along side a commercial tow and its barges. I now got 6 cops and cruisers on our lock wall/esplanade. Said people who threatened family head back other way and hide under bridge according to reports from other boaters. Family feels safe, locks back down knowing other boat can't get through to them. Police can do nothing but leave. No marine unit or USCG within 20 miles.

Other boat eventually locks through down in a couple of hours. Guess which boat that was? If you guessed stoners, you guessed right.

SO MANY things a mess out there. When did stoners start mixing w/weapons? I thought all they wanted was a bag of Cheetos, drive slow, treat their disease and be left alone.

It's a mess when it all mixes w/others.

Not a " weed" issue, a simple responsibility/ judgement issue. No different than if booze were involved. Still completely wrong . Are folks that use marijuana more likely than the general populace to own guns? Maybe, but I doubt it. But there is nothing in that story particular to marijuana . The drug of choice could have been anything. It still doesn't mix with boating , or children.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Not a " weed" issue, a simple responsibility/ judgement issue. No different than if booze were involved. Still completely wrong . Are folks that use marijuana more likely than the general populace to own guns? Maybe, but I doubt it. But there is nothing in that story particular to marijuana . The drug of choice could have been anything. It still doesn't mix with boating , or children.

Agree... Addiction, booze all play a part. I think the thing that gets me is jeopardizing the infant child. Like the two riding around in Ohio.

 

But... It will just get worse with more people using the crutches of drugs and alcohol out there...

Edited September 10, 2016 by ExiledInIllinois

[PO16FFS]

17 pages on this average player. One would think we are talking about a Hall of Famer.....Wait....Oh no...we are on a Bills forum where everyone on here thinks that every single Bills player is a HOFer.

[NoSaint]

17 pages on this average player. One would think we are talking about a Hall of Famer.....Wait....Oh no...we are on a Bills forum where everyone on here thinks that every single Bills player is a HOFer.

To be fair, about 3/4 is about the policy.... Which is semi interesting at times

[PO16FFS]

To be fair, about 3/4 is about the policy.... Which is semi interesting at times

Ill give you that.

 

Seriously, great post.

[Saxum]

Wacky weed is a stupid term Koolaid used. Regular marijuana does have CBD's fwiw.

 

Just because you do not know the term does not mean it is not common in use.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wacky+weed&num=50&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR3-H404bPAhXBWD4KHRRbC7kQsAQIJA&biw=1680&bih=928

 

Heard my nephews, who probably are as much of an advocate, as you use ir many times.

[Bob in Mich]

 

That was why I asked. He was contradicting himself.

 

Gupta is a TV personality who has never treated a Crohn's patient, let alone treated one with MJ.

 

As for the article you cited ("leafscience"), it doesn't mention MJ as a treatment for IBD. It does mention THC as a treatment for nausea (I have prescribed it for this). But let's be clear, Henderson was n ot taking THC, he was smoking MJ. His goal was achieving the euphoria it provides (and THC does not).

 

If he failed a test because of prescribed Marinol, he would win an appeal. He didn't. He smoked weed as he is prone to.

 

Not the best information there, doc.

 

How do you know his goal in using cannabis was to get the euphoric effects? You don't. It could have been to stop abdominal cramping. How do you know Henderson was smoking cannabis? You don't. He could have been using concentrated cannabis medicine in many forms.

 

Can I ask, where have you gotten your education on the endocannabinoid system? I ask because you don't sound well educated on the topic. See http://gwpharm.com, hit the R&D tab, and maybe you could learn a few things. If you are a doctor you really should know a whole lot about this intercellular communication system.

 

You are aware that phyto-cannabinoids can be put into pill form, I am sure. The essential oils can be stripped from the cannabis buds and then vaporized or put put into an alcohol tincture or put into capsules. Can it be medical in your mind if it is not smoked?

 

Have you ever heard of the entourage effect with respect to cannabis medicine? Are you aware that THC alone, marinol, will get the patient very high? That is often given by patients as the main drawback. It gets users too high - uncomfortably high - because it does not have the other phyto-cannabinoids, like CBD, to temper the effects of THC.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Bob in Mich

[Coach Tuesday]

Maybe not right thread. But just last weekend I had three boats @ the lock passing around a jay. All caught on camera, on Federal waterway, DoD installation. No biggie I guess, or is it?

 

...Except the one sad part. The operator of one vessel stoned to the point and his voice joint hoarse... Had an infant daughter onboard. The infant with no PFD on (IL law is PFD on for 13 & under on all open smallboats).

 

Think the stoners can save the child if she sinks to the bottom of the drink like a penny?

 

I made them put a PFD on the child and sent them on their merry way. End of story right? Sorta.

 

Mix in guns now. Dozens of pleasure craft/powerboats on way back from Lake Michigan later on my shift. One boat cuts another off and words were exchanged. One of the boats threatens a family w/gun by saying they will shoot them. Family (perfectly sober mother/father w/8 year old son) calls police before locking back down river... Is afraid to lock down in chamber w/others along side a commercial tow and its barges. I now got 6 cops and cruisers on our lock wall/esplanade. Said people who threatened family head back other way and hide under bridge according to reports from other boaters. Family feels safe, locks back down knowing other boat can't get through to them. Police can do nothing but leave. No marine unit or USCG within 20 miles.

 

Other boat eventually locks through down in a couple of hours. Guess which boat that was? If you guessed stoners, you guessed right.

 

SO MANY things a mess out there. When did stoners start mixing w/weapons? I thought all they wanted was a bag of Cheetos, drive slow, treat their disease and be left alone.

 

It's a mess when it all mixes w/others.

Sounds like you have enough experience to make broad public policy pronouncements. Edited September 11, 2016 by Coach Tuesday

[Mr. WEO]

 

Not the best information there, doc.

 

How do you know his goal in using cannabis was to get the euphoric effects? You don't. It could have been to stop abdominal cramping. How do you know Henderson was smoking cannabis? You don't. He could have been using concentrated cannabis medicine in many forms.

 

Can I ask, where have you gotten your education on the endocannabinoid system? I ask because you don't sound well educated on the topic. See http://gwpharm.com, hit the R&D tab, and maybe you could learn a few things. If you are a doctor you really should know a whole lot about this intercellular communication system.

 

You are aware that phyto-cannabinoids can be put into pill form, I am sure. The essential oils can be stripped from the cannabis buds and then vaporized or put put into an alcohol tincture or put into capsules. Can it be medical in your mind if it is not smoked?

 

Have you ever heard of the entourage effect with respect to cannabis medicine? Are you aware that THC alone, marinol, will get the patient very high? That is often given by patients as the main drawback. It gets users too high - uncomfortably high - because it does not have the other phyto-cannabinoids, like CBD, to temper the effects of THC.

 

I assumed he smoked marijuana as he has a long proven history of this.

 

Since I mentioned Marinol in my post, you already know I am aware that cannabinoids come in pill form. I also stated that if he has a prescription for this from his doctor, he would likely have appealed. He didn't, so I again concluded he smoked.

 

The euphoria of MJ has been cited in responses to one of the few studies that looked at marijuana as a treatment in Crohn's patients as the reason for their self reported improvement of symptoms.

 

Patients I have prescribed Marinol to (for post operative nausea unresponsive to other anti-emetics) have not complained of being "too high".

 

I respect that you are an advocate for widespread medical cannabis use, but spare me the lectures concerning stuff you read about on a pro-cannabis (a drug company, ironically) website. For this disease, cannabis is not a standard treatment by any means and it's not because we are all in the pockets of big pharma or whatever else you imagine is preventing physicians from prescribing cannabis for Crohn's disease on a routine basis.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Mr. WEO

[BarleyNY]

I assumed he smoked marijuana as he has a long proven history of this.

 

Since I mentioned Marinol in my post, you already know I am aware that cannabinoids come in pill form. I also stated that if he has a prescription for this from his doctor, he would likely have appealed. He didn't, so I again concluded he smoked.

 

The euphoria of MJ has been cited in responses to one of the few studies that looked at marijuana as a treatment in Crohn's patients as the reason for their self reported improvement of symptoms.

 

Patients I have prescribed Marinol to (for post operative nausea unresponsive to other anti-emetics) have not complained of being "too high".

 

I respect that you are an advocate for widespread medical cannabis use, but spare me the lectures concerning stuff you read about on a pro-cannabis (a drug company, ironically) website. For this disease, cannabis is not a standard treatment by any means and it's not because we are all in the pockets of big pharma or whatever else you imagine is preventing physicians from prescribing cannabis for Crohn's disease on a routine basis.

First, thank you for your informed take on this. Always nice to hear from someone with real knowledge on a subject.

 

Henderson's marijuana use predates his Crohn's diagnosis so we know his history is recreational use. He's also been in the NFL's substance abuse program for some time because a 4 game suspension is the penalty for a 3rd violation. There's no excuse for not knowing and following the rules in this case. This is on him and I have to think his NFL career is pretty much over.

 

Whether or not you agree with the NFL marijuana rules (and I don't), they're the rules. If you want to play, you have to follow them - or at least not get caught breaking them.

[Maury Ballstein]

For this disease, cannabis is not a standard treatment by any means and it's not because we are all in the pockets of big pharma or whatever else you imagine is preventing physicians from prescribing cannabis for Crohn's disease on a routine basis.

The pills and side effects work better huh ?

 

How much does big pharma pay you ?

[Bob in Mich]

 

 

I respect that you are an advocate for widespread medical cannabis use, but spare me the lectures concerning stuff you read about on a pro-cannabis (a drug company, ironically) website. For this disease, cannabis is not a standard treatment by any means and it's not because we are all in the pockets of big pharma or whatever else you imagine is preventing physicians from prescribing cannabis for Crohn's disease on a routine basis.

 

So, are you saying that you are unfamiliar with the body's endo-cannabinoid system? And you actively practice medicine?

 

Please, Doc, educate yourself. Perhaps you are so used to being the medical topic expert that you have been lulled into thinking you know it all? Check out the nih.gov website and do some searches on 'cannabinoids'.

[Mr. WEO]

The pills and side effects work better huh ?

 

How much does big pharma pay you ?

 

I wish! We can't even accept a slice of pizza or a pen these days.

 

As for "pills", yes, medications (anti-inflammatory/anti-immune) are the treatments for this disease. MJ is not.

 

 

So, are you saying that you are unfamiliar with the body's endo-cannabinoid system? And you actively practice medicine?

 

Please, Doc, educate yourself. Perhaps you are so used to being the medical topic expert that you have been lulled into thinking you know it all? Check out the nih.gov website and do some searches on 'cannabinoids'.

 

I'm not a Crohn's disease specialist, I do treat patients with Crohn's complications requiring surgery. Physicians who specialize in treating this chronic disease will tell you they rarely if ever prescribe cannabinoids for these patients. Go ask them if they know what they are doing.

 

Look, if you have to believe that Henderson got busted THIS time for smoking medicinal weed because it makes for an excuse so you don't feel silly propping up more behavior by players detrimental to this team, I won't take that away from you.

 

If tour just a weed advocate who points the rest of us to various websites to show us all we have no idea what we are doing, then save your breath. It's not very interesting to me listening to someone who has no idea what he is talking about, but is convince the opposite is true,

 

Good luck.

[Bob in Mich]

 

 

I'm not a Crohn's disease specialist, I do treat patients with Crohn's complications requiring surgery. Physicians who specialize in treating this chronic disease will tell you they rarely if ever prescribe cannabinoids for these patients. Go ask them if they know what they are doing.

 

Look, if you have to believe that Henderson got busted THIS time for smoking medicinal weed because it makes for an excuse so you don't feel silly propping up more behavior by players detrimental to this team, I won't take that away from you.

 

If tour just a weed advocate who points the rest of us to various websites to show us all we have no idea what we are doing, then save your breath. It's not very interesting to me listening to someone who has no idea what he is talking about, but is convince the opposite is true,

 

Good luck.

 

Doc, you are being very evasive. You are answering lots of unasked questions and not answering the ones I've asked you. It is clear that you are upset and perhaps embarrassed that your ignorance of this topic has been bared.

 

Anyway, I do happen to know quite a bit on this topic. Apparently, at this point, more than you, doc. Don't be embarrassed. It seems that this subject is not typically a topic in med school. My understanding is that historically doctors were taught in school that cannabis is only a substance of abuse and that it has no medicinal value.

 

So, where did you get your formal education on the body's endo-cannabinoid system?

 

Do you know why cannabinoids can impact so many health issues? Briefly, it is because animals use endo-cannabinoids to communicate between cells in order to regulate very many bodily processes. Phyto-cannabinoids can stand in for the body's own cannabinoid molecules and aid in that regulation.

 

Kind of funny that you don't accept drug information from a pharmaceutical company (GW Pharm). Aren't pharma reps pretty much your chief source of information on new medicines?

 

Also, you should give the internet a chance, doc. Lots of good information out there - just check your sources.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Bob in Mich

[Bob in Mich]

http://buffalonews.com/2016/10/27/seantrel-henderson-opens-battle-crohns-disease-drug-suspension/

[87168]

 

I wish! We can't even accept a slice of pizza or a pen these days.

 

As for "pills", yes, medications (anti-inflammatory/anti-immune) are the treatments for this disease. MJ is not.

 

 

I'm not a Crohn's disease specialist, I do treat patients with Crohn's complications requiring surgery. Physicians who specialize in treating this chronic disease will tell you they rarely if ever prescribe cannabinoids for these patients. Go ask them if they know what they are doing.

 

Look, if you have to believe that Henderson got busted THIS time for smoking medicinal weed because it makes for an excuse so you don't feel silly propping up more behavior by players detrimental to this team, I won't take that away from you.

 

If tour just a weed advocate who points the rest of us to various websites to show us all we have no idea what we are doing, then save your breath. It's not very interesting to me listening to someone who has no idea what he is talking about, but is convince the opposite is true,

 

Good luck.

 

marijuana indeed opens flood vessels which in turn decreases inflammation. so I'm not sure where that came from. MOST pain is a result of inflammation.

 

speaking as someone with sickle cell disease, I can tell you that cannabis as been the best treatment for pain I could have ever come across. a little background. my sickle cell is not exacerbated by cold temps, like most. Rather elevation (oxygen levels), and stress. when it does act up, my blood cells essentially "stick" together (not the same as a clot) and restrict blood flow. anyway, i've been hospitalized more times than I can count and I'm usually in there for a couple of weeks. I haven't been hospitalized since 2014 (pneumonia and a sickle cell crisis) and I really attribute that to cannabis.

 

the doctors had me on sooo many opioids growing up. I didnt use them daily until got to college. I was in SF on my own, in school full time (history), and working full time at Verizon. this was at the age of 20. I was zombified throughout the day. these pills subsequently led to depression. next thing I know I am on zoloft and other crap. it was the worst. when i turned 26 i went back to school to study music, so i wasnt fully employed, and had no health insurance. I needed to find an alternative to something that I really hated but needed. after research and discussions with MANY doctors outside of NY, an overwhelming amount suggested I at least try it. my biggest concern initially was how it would interfere with my sickle cell...but the doctors assured me that it wouldn't. I have never tried weed before. never. most of my friends growing up smoked, and the same with my college buddies.

 

anyway, fast forward 2 years and I feel great. THC and CBD are two completely different aspects of the flower itself, and both play a different role. I benefit from both. CBD for pain, and THC to relieve the stress and anxiety. flower, edibles, extracts (dabs, and no not the dance), and liquid extracts.

 

cannabis isnt for everyone. just like anything else in life, it can be abused, and the THC element is not recommended for young adults because their brain is still in development, but the CDB (charlotte's web strain) has literally saved lives.

 

this plant really needs to stop being vilified. not to mention this is the most versatile plant on EARTH! food, fuel clothing, medicine...this plant contains more fiber per plant than any tree. this plant could literally stop deforestation. i mean, the original drafts of the declaration of independence were written on hemp...again, the irony is almost orgasmic.

 

but hey...money rules all. big pharma, big oil, the lumber industry, would all take a HUGE it if hemp were researched and used the way the earth intended. it's there for a reason. it's literally a weed.

 

stop with the reefer madness approach

Edited October 28, 2016 by 87168

[PO16FFS]

 

marijuana indeed opens flood vessels which in turn decreases inflammation. so I'm not sure where that came from. MOST pain is a result of inflammation.

 

speaking as someone with sickle cell disease, I can tell you that cannabis as been the best treatment for pain I could have ever come across. a little background. my sickle cell is not exacerbated by cold temps, like most. Rather elevation (oxygen levels), and stress. when it does act up, my blood cells essentially "stick" together (not the same as a clot) and restrict blood flow. anyway, i've been hospitalized more times than I can count and I'm usually in there for a couple of weeks. I haven't been hospitalized since 2014 (pneumonia and a sickle cell crisis) and I really attribute that to cannabis.

 

the doctors had me on sooo many opioids growing up. I didnt use them daily until got to college. I was in SF on my own, in school full time (history), and working full time at Verizon. this was at the age of 20. I was zombified throughout the day. these pills subsequently led to depression. next thing I know I am on zoloft and other crap. it was the worst. when i turned 26 i went back to school to study music, so i wasnt fully employed, and had no health insurance. I needed to find an alternative to something that I really hated but needed. after research and discussions with MANY doctors outside of NY, an overwhelming amount suggested I at least try it. my biggest concern initially was how it would interfere with my sickle cell...but the doctors assured me that it wouldn't. I have never tried weed before. never. most of my friends growing up smoked, and the same with my college buddies.

 

anyway, fast forward 2 years and I feel great. THC and CBD are two completely different aspects of the flower itself, and both play a different role. I benefit from both. CBD for pain, and THC to relieve the stress and anxiety. flower, edibles, extracts (dabs, and no not the dance), and liquid extracts.

 

cannabis isnt for everyone. just like anything else in life, it can be abused, and the THC element is not recommended for young adults because their brain is still in development, but the CDB (charlotte's web strain) has literally saved lives.

 

this plant really needs to stop being vilified. not to mention this is the most versatile plant on EARTH! food, fuel clothing, medicine...this plant contains more fiber per plant than any tree. this plant could literally stop deforestation. i mean, the original drafts of the declaration of independence were written on hemp...again, the irony is almost orgasmic.

 

but hey...money rules all. big pharma, big oil, the lumber industry, would all take a HUGE it if hemp were researched and used the way the earth intended. it's there for a reason. it's literally a weed.

 

stop with the reefer madness approach

in short: Weed is good!

[The Frankish Reich]

Someone here corrected me a few weeks ago when I suggested Seantrel is not the brightest ... and now I fully agree. He's smart. Really smart.

 

Check out this positively (Bill) Clintonian [note: this is not a political message! I am focusing on the lawyerly phrasing, no on the politics] phrase in the BN interview posted on the home page:

 

"There’s no recreational use. There’s none of that"

 

1. You have the strange phrasing. Not "I have not used recreationally." Instead, "there's no recreational use ... ." Recall "there is no sexual relationship" followed by "it all depends what the meaning of 'is' is."

 

2. Earlier on: "I hadn't even been thinking about marijuana until it was brought up to me by a doctor." O.K., I understand that one. But not "until a doctor recommended (doctors can't prescribe; they can only recommend) it." Just "until it was brought up to me ..." Weird passive voice, but then with "by a doctor" tacked on. He's not throwing a doctor under the bus (because really, what doctor wouldn't say, "I understand you're a professional athlete; have you considered whether this might affect your career?"), but he is putting into our minds the idea that he used it because a doctor recommended it.

 

As smart as Seantrel is (and really, this is good lawyerly talk) I find it hard to believe that he went ahead and used medically (not recreationally) without understanding the consequences. Maybe it did provide him relief, and he thought "I'll take my chances ... even if I get caught, 4 games is worth it for the pain relief." I'm just pointing out, again, that this is one smart kid ...