seantrel Henderson facing 4 game suspension

[Saxum]

You really think it would've gotten more attention than it did this week? It's a low tier player in a secondary market. If you want awareness, this is a spot for Rex to make noise (fines be damned). An appeal wasn't going to get it on the national radar by itself.

 

It would do no good for he was smoking wacky weed before he got into NFL. If he had been clean, diagnosed with disease and THEN started maybe.

[3rdand12]

 

It would do no good for he was smoking wacky weed before he got into NFL. If he had been clean, diagnosed with disease and THEN started maybe.

I doubt anyone would really re-act differently.

[Nick the Greek]

Does anyone know if he had a valid prescription for the weed? If not.. He doesn't have much of an argument.

[billsintaiwan]

I find it utterly hilarious that these well paid employees can't lay off the weed when it is essential to their employment.

 

Personally, I think it says a lot about their personal character.

 

The league should start kicking players out on their second offense for illegal drug use. First offense should be a full year suspension without pay.

 

The penalty isn't stiff enough. Hitting the weed is a choice. The guy makes a conscious decision to smoke it or not every single time. If he can't control his urge to hit the pipe, then he can kiss his NFL career goodbye as far as I am concerned.

 

Let those players go back to working outside of professional sports. They will soon find out that all mid size or larger companies have the same restrictions on drug use.

 

Fecking losers.

I think your name says a lot about the ideas espoused in your post.

[The Dean]

 

I wish they had appealed it; just because it would have raised the public consciousness of the issue and been one step on the long road to getting rid of these absurd suspensions for smoking pot.

 

There is a HUGE legal case coming against the NFL. And I believe they will have to adjust their policy to avoid it---or in response to what I see will be the inevitable decision (at least some day).

 

I'm not sure what the NY laws are, at the moment, with respect to medical marijuana. so perhaps Sentreal isn't the right guy to pursue this suit. Plus, he isn't good/high profile enough to make it a big enough case. But here's the crux of what I'm thinking. In a state, where medical marijuana is legal, a player with a debilitating condition (such as Chron's) will have respected, also high profile, doctors, saying this is the best course of medication for his condition. Let's face it. Compared to most medications, marijuana has far fewer negative side effects. Plus there is zero evidence it is performance enhancing product, so the idea a player as an advantage by using it is absurd. The argument (in my feeble mind) would be, "can the NFL ban ACL surgery, if it wishes"? To prohibit a legitimate medical treatment simply because the old farts at the NFL don't like it, is prejudicial at the least. (And if your argument is "respected/high profile doctors would NEVER prescribe marijuana for ANY condition, you are wrong.)

 

Obviously, if it is legalized nationwide, it should be a non-issue. But I still think a suit in a medical marijuana friendly state would be hard to win for the NFL.

 

 

It would do no good for he was smoking wacky weed before he got into NFL. If he had been clean, diagnosed with disease and THEN started maybe.

 

So, if a player used opiates at one time in his life for recreation, the use of opiates for legitimate pain relief should be denied. Do I have that right? You do understand (as far as I can tell) opiate pain killers are regularly used in the NFL. But CLEARLY anyone who used them for other reasons is ONLY using the to get high. Right?

 

I think your name says a lot about the ideas espoused in your pos

 

Don't be a bigot.

[Saxum]

Does anyone know if he had a valid prescription for the weed? If not.. He doesn't have much of an argument.

 

There is no valid prescription for it.

Doctors have to follow US laws and Federal law prohibits it.

State laws 'allowing it' do not override this.

[Saxum]

 

There is a HUGE legal case coming against the NFL. And I believe they will have to adjust their policy to avoid it---or in response to what I see will be the inevitable decision (at least some day).

 

I'm not sure what the NY laws are, at the moment, with respect to medical marijuana. so perhaps Sentreal isn't the right guy to pursue this suit. Plus, he isn't good/high profile enough to make it a big enough case. But here's the crux of what I'm thinking. In a state, where medical marijuana is legal, a player with a debilitating condition (such as Chron's) will have respected, also high profile, doctors, saying this is the best course of medication for his condition. Let's face it. Compared to most medications, marijuana has far fewer negative side effects. Plus there is zero evidence it is performance enhancing product, so the idea a player as an advantage by using it is absurd. The argument (in my feeble mind) would be, "can the NFL ban ACL surgery, if it wishes"? To prohibit a legitimate medical treatment simply because the old farts at the NFL don't like it, is prejudicial at the least. (And if your argument is "respected/high profile doctors would NEVER prescribe marijuana for ANY condition, you are wrong.)

 

Obviously, if it is legalized nationwide, it should be a non-issue. But I still think a suit in a medical marijuana friendly state would be hard to win for the NFL.

So, if a player used opiates at one time in his life for recreation, the use of opiates for legitimate pain relief should be denied. Do I have that right? You do understand (as far as I can tell) opiate pain killers are regularly used in the NFL. But CLEARLY anyone who used them for other reasons is ONLY using the to get high. Right?

 

There is a difference - wacky weed is not legal or a legal medical treatment despite claims of advocates, its not the same as operation which the NFL could not ban. And regarding opiates there are different classes, some describable and some not. But if a player lost a leg to cancer or injury and wanted to play with blades they could choose to disallow it.

 

Depending on results of elections both national and US senators/congressmen that may change either more pro-use or more-prosecute. Imagine someone using same laws they used against racketeering against MJ groups. Or someone getting in office who decided to have attorney general not just ignore law but advocating having law struck down.

 

The NFLPA and NFL players is probably not the best case for decriminalization and even with decriminalization NFL could still make it illegal. But it would give NFL shield with negotiations regarding it. Yes they could be losing customers with current stance but there is more of a risk of losing customers / advertisers with change in stance.

[Maury Ballstein]

There is a difference - wacky weed is not legal or a legal medical treatment despite claims of advocates

What is dead wrong for 1000 ? Alex.

 

Cbd oil and medical marijuana are being prescribed by doctors all over. People with epilepsy are very thankful.

 

Edited September 10, 2016 by Ryan L Billz

[nucci]

What is dead wrong for 1000 ? Alex.

 

Cbd oil and medical marijuana are being prescribed by doctors all over. People with epilepsy are very thankful.

 

as are people with cancer.....The stigma that marijuana is a dangerous narcotic like heroin has to stop. Alcohol is much worse for you

[Mr. WEO]

 

There is a HUGE legal case coming against the NFL. And I believe they will have to adjust their policy to avoid it---or in response to what I see will be the inevitable decision (at least some day).

 

I'm not sure what the NY laws are, at the moment, with respect to medical marijuana. so perhaps Sentreal isn't the right guy to pursue this suit. Plus, he isn't good/high profile enough to make it a big enough case. But here's the crux of what I'm thinking. In a state, where medical marijuana is legal, a player with a debilitating condition (such as Chron's) will have respected, also high profile, doctors, saying this is the best course of medication for his condition. Let's face it. Compared to most medications, marijuana has far fewer negative side effects. Plus there is zero evidence it is performance enhancing product, so the idea a player as an advantage by using it is absurd. The argument (in my feeble mind) would be, "can the NFL ban ACL surgery, if it wishes"? To prohibit a legitimate medical treatment simply because the old farts at the NFL don't like it, is prejudicial at the least. (And if your argument is "respected/high profile doctors would NEVER prescribe marijuana for ANY condition, you are wrong.)

 

 

 

In such a court case the NFL would parade an actual lineup of Crohn's specialists, both surgical and medical, from top Centers (like Mayo and Cleveland Clinic, who will say they do not treat Crohn's with marijuana. Or they could just put his own Crohn's doctor on the stand and ask if he prescribes MJ to all of his Crohn's patients (or any). The defense would rest after that....

 

Also, just because a state such as NY permits "medical" use of MJ for diseases such as Crohn's does not mean that there is any large body of evidence that it is a legitimate treatment of the disease itself (there is not---another huge factor that would favor the NFL in such a case).

 

Third, this poor bastard tested positive at the combine, and now his agent is railing on about having "his intestines outside his body" (!) as the true reason he can't stop smoking weed.

 

I don't see how a case could ever be brought and then won by the player/NFLPA under any circumstance

[ExiledInIllinois]

have you by any chance watched the new netflix show, Last Chance U? I think it's a great look into the machine that produces these players. They're basically coddled and sheltered and handheld through college and groomed for the pros. They're the first to go to college in their family and they have no support structure outside of the university. From there, they're made millionaires and released into the world. I know you say 'unaccountable' but what if you've never had to BE accountable? you can point to players in good standing if you'd like, but everyone's experience isn't the same. and, disproportionately, poor/lower middle class african american players take the route described above. and then people pretend to be shocked when the marijuana use happens again and again and again and again. or the car racing or drinking or violence.

It's happening everywhere, just being played at a very small level game for most. Called: living in society and being irresponsible. Don't have to be making millions to see the dysfunction out there.

[26CornerBlitz]

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[The Dean]

 

There is no valid prescription for it.

Doctors have to follow US laws and Federal law prohibits it.

State laws 'allowing it' do not override this.

 

 

Well, it is being prescribed, with actual prescriptions, in certain states. And those states recognize it as legal. At the same time, the Federal Government is NOT enforcing the Federal law, in those states. So it is, defacto, legal---at least for now. Changes like this typically come state-by-state, at first....then Nationally, all of a sudden.

 

As an aside, Florida has a Medical Marijuana Dispensary (low THC only) in Tallahassee. But the MM law has not been passed yet (let's change that, this year!). Just further evidence MM is "being prescribed" and that the law, isn't necessarily The Law. sometimes.

 

I'll say it again, I don't think Sentreal is the right guy (for several reasons) for a case like this. My point is, I believe a case like this is coming and winnable by the NFLPA. And I'm not even concluding Sentreal is legitimately using marijuana for his Chron's. None of us knows the real story. But the argument he couldn't be using marijuana for treat his condition, because he used it in the past (seemingly) for recreation, is completely with out merit. As Jackie Chiles might say, "It's ignorant, idiotic, psychotic."

[Mr. WEO]

 

 

Well, it is being prescribed, with actual prescriptions, in certain states. And those states recognize it as legal. At the same time, the Federal Government is NOT enforcing the Federal law, in those states. So it is, defacto, legal---at least for now. Changes like this typically come state-by-state, at first....then Nationally, all of a sudden.

 

As an aside, Florida has a Medical Marijuana Dispensary (low THC only) in Tallahassee. But the MM law has not been passed yet (let's change that, this year!). Just further evidence MM is "being prescribed" and that the law, isn't necessarily The Law. sometimes.

 

I'll say it again, I don't think Sentreal is the right guy (for several reasons) for a case like this. My point is, I believe a case like this is coming and winnable by the NFLPA. And I'm not even concluding Sentreal is legitimately using marijuana for his Chron's. None of us knows the real story. But the argument he couldn't be using marijuana for treat his condition, because he used it in the past (seemingly) for recreation, is completely with out merit. As Jackie Chiles might say, "It's ignorant, idiotic, psychotic."

 

 

Then explain why he is not the right guy for a case like this.

 

Or how the NFLPA would establish that MJ is a commonly prescribed treatment for Crohn's disease.

[3rdand12]

What is dead wrong for 1000 ? Alex.

 

Cbd oil and medical marijuana are being prescribed by doctors all over. People with epilepsy are very thankful.

 

This is truth

CBD is not "wacky weed"

It does not have the THC compound that gives the euphoric sensation. and it is legal.

 

I just love when folks draw hard lines without fully researching the subject matter.

I am fine with opinions, but definitive phrasing is just poor effort.

Like a mentioned last time we brought "wacky weed" up.

I was at a Ted Talk and i learned a ton of things i had no idea of.

My youngest Daughter works with terminal patients and children in pain relief and comfort care. She also has educated me.

 

 

Then explain why he is not the right guy for a case like this.

 

Or how the NFLPA would establish that MJ is a commonly prescribed treatment for Crohn's disease.

Obviously his recreational history would flag him.

The Dean is correct.

Dr Gupta would be the guy to talk to. There are plenty more like him.

 

It is again obvious, that it is not commonly prescribed because of obtuse out dated matters of legality.

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/07/22/7-proven-medical-benefits-thc/

how ya like me now ?

[mikemac2001]

Dude was fighting something nasty

 

I'm cool with the suspension of 4 games if it made his life better while going through it or it helped him over come it

 

Get in football shape and be back week 5 I understand why they wouldn't appeal but yes it would have been a nice conversation to bring up for future situations

[3rdand12]

Dude was fighting something nasty

 

I'm cool with the suspension of 4 games if it made his life better while going through it or it helped him over come it

 

Get in football shape and be back week 5 I understand why they wouldn't appeal but yes it would have been a nice conversation to bring up for future situations

I think your perspective is rather positive. Props to you

[Mr. WEO]

This is truth

CBD is not "wacky weed"

It does not have the THC compound that gives the euphoric sensation. and it is legal.

 

I just love when folks draw hard lines without fully researching the subject matter.

I am fine with opinions, but definitive phrasing is just poor effort.

Like a mentioned last time we brought "wacky weed" up.

I was at a Ted Talk and i learned a ton of things i had no idea of.

My youngest Daughter works with terminal patients and children in pain relief and comfort care. She also has educated me.

Obviously his recreational history would flag him.

The Dean is correct.

Dr Gupta would be the guy to talk to. There are plenty more like him.

 

It is again obvious, that it is not commonly prescribed because of obtuse out dated matters of legality.

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/07/22/7-proven-medical-benefits-thc/

how ya like me now ?

 

That was why I asked. He was contradicting himself.

 

Gupta is a TV personality who has never treated a Crohn's patient, let alone treated one with MJ.

 

As for the article you cited ("leafscience"), it doesn't mention MJ as a treatment for IBD. It does mention THC as a treatment for nausea (I have prescribed it for this). But let's be clear, Henderson was n ot taking THC, he was smoking MJ. His goal was achieving the euphoria it provides (and THC does not).

 

If he failed a test because of prescribed Marinol, he would win an appeal. He didn't. He smoked weed as he is prone to.

[Boatdrinks]

The league just needs to back off this ridiculous stance on marijuana. Its stated by those in the know that probably half the players in the league use it. The NHL , for example,does not even list it as a banned substance. It's not a performance enhancer in any way, but rather a way to cope with the pain of playing a brutal contact sport. They don't test for alchohol and neither should they for pot. It's very common in society and most people know someone who uses it. These are people that have jobs and live productive lives. It's not a big deal. Society is changing and becoming more accepting of this and that's why laws are changing. The NFL should get ahead of the curve a little bit and realize how hypocritical its policy is when they provide all kinds of other pain killers that are truly addictive.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Maybe not right thread. But just last weekend I had three boats @ the lock passing around a jay. All caught on camera, on Federal waterway, DoD installation. No biggie I guess, or is it?

 

...Except the one sad part. The operator of one vessel stoned to the point and his voice joint hoarse... Had an infant daughter onboard. The infant with no PFD on (IL law is PFD on for 13 & under on all open smallboats).

 

Think the stoners can save the child if she sinks to the bottom of the drink like a penny?

 

I made them put a PFD on the child and sent them on their merry way. End of story right? Sorta.

 

Mix in guns now. Dozens of pleasure craft/powerboats on way back from Lake Michigan later on my shift. One boat cuts another off and words were exchanged. One of the boats threatens a family w/gun by saying they will shoot them. Family (perfectly sober mother/father w/8 year old son) calls police before locking back down river... Is afraid to lock down in chamber w/others along side a commercial tow and its barges. I now got 6 cops and cruisers on our lock wall/esplanade. Said people who threatened family head back other way and hide under bridge according to reports from other boaters. Family feels safe, locks back down knowing other boat can't get through to them. Police can do nothing but leave. No marine unit or USCG within 20 miles.

 

Other boat eventually locks through down in a couple of hours. Guess which boat that was? If you guessed stoners, you guessed right.

 

SO MANY things a mess out there. When did stoners start mixing w/weapons? I thought all they wanted was a bag of Cheetos, drive slow, treat their disease and be left alone.

 

It's a mess when it all mixes w/others.