The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 Like "In God We Trust" on our money. It was added in the 50's as a reaction to Communism. Ditto for "One nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Added long after the fact. Not sure about Poles but the Irish were treated like sub-humans for years. Definitely happened to us poles as well. Not to the extent of black people but definitely discriminated against. I know of a few families that change their last names in order to "fit in".
Jerry Jabber Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I really don't remember hearing of any Irish or Polish slaves in the US. If I'm wrong, I'd be very interested in learning the truth. Wasn't referring to here in the U.S. The Poles were enslaved during the Nazi occupation of Poland, on top of millions that were killed during WW2. Irish were enslaved by the English. The point is, racism is not just an American issue, it's a worldwide issue. Some, like Kapernick, only see it as an an American problem and that law enforcement/government hates African Americans, and that's far from the truth. People are too quick to judge and place labels on others.
vorpma Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I'm sure he will have lots of free time available to work for social justice in the future; I'm sure he will use much of the millions he has earned over the years to assist the oppressed!
klos63 Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 Wasn't referring to here in the U.S. The Poles were enslaved during the Nazi occupation of Poland, on top of millions that were killed during WW2. Irish were enslaved by the English. The point is, racism is not just an American issue, it's a worldwide issue. Some, like Kapernick, only see it as an an American problem and that law enforcement/government hates African Americans, and that's far from the truth. People are too quick to judge and place labels on others. I'm certain Kaeperneck can attest to that. Wasn't referring to here in the U.S. The Poles were enslaved during the Nazi occupation of Poland, on top of millions that were killed during WW2. Irish were enslaved by the English. The point is, racism is not just an American issue, it's a worldwide issue. Some, like Kapernick, only see it as an an American problem and that law enforcement/government hates African Americans, and that's far from the truth. People are too quick to judge and place labels on others. I am aware of those instances. I took this discussion to be about the US.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it's fair to white people that the game has to be played with brown footballs. Every freakin' game! Where are all the white footballs? We are losing our country.
Jerry Jabber Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it's fair to white people that the game has to be played with brown footballs. Every freakin' game! Where are all the white footballs? We are losing our country. Lmao!! Pool is played with a white ball having to hit a bunch of colored balls. Bowling is played with a black ball having to knock down ten white pins with rednecks.
yall Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 True Story from the Life of Hopeful. When our baby was just shy of 9 months old and baby/mom more or less recovered from various complications, the Hopeful family made a decision to finally have a date night, sans baby, to celebrate my birthday. We went all out: reservations to a trendy restaurant for dinner; excellent tickets to see STOMP!, the familiar caregiver from her excellent daycare as a very well-paid babysitter. That was September 11, 2000. After discussion and some phone calls to the restaurant and the venue, we decided to proceed with the planned evening. We figured what the terrorists are after is getting in everyone's head and disrupting normal life, so if we stay home, they win that small victory. So off we went. The restaurant was out of flown-in stuff, like fresh fish, but otherwise good. I don't know if STOMP always starts that way, but just before the starting time, the venue went pitch black, even the small aisle lights. Into the darkness came the sound of a lone bugle, playing our National Anthem. At the crescendo, three spotlights lit up our flag. I guarantee there wasn't a dry eye in the house that night. That's how I "get" our flag and our national anthem - as an enduring symbol that our nation, flaws and warts and stumbles and tragedies, is fundamentally strong and good and will continue and evolve. 2000 huh?
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it's fair to white people that the game has to be played with brown footballs. Every freakin' game! Where are all the white footballs? We are losing our country.Yea but that's white people so who cares? Lmao!! Pool is played with a white ball having to hit a bunch of colored balls. Bowling is played with a black ball having to knock down ten white pins with rednecks. Basketball is played with an orange ball that gets smashed on the floor repeatedly before being thrown into an orange hoop. #ompalompalivesmatter
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I'm certain Kaeperneck can attest to that. I am aware of those instances. I took this discussion to be about the US. Not to take away from the suffering of African Americans and Native Americans, but it should be noted that significant proportion of early European settlers came to this country as "indentured servants", which is pretty close to slavery but for a set time of 7 years. Some volunteered as a way of escaping jail or poverty in Europe, many were forced to come over in payment for debts. Conditions not as bad as black slavery in the 1800s, but at the time slaves and indentured servants were treated pretty similarly. Just food for thought in the discussion. FWIW, youre doing a good job of keeping the moral high ground, thank you. As for CK the individual I would have to agree with your arguments. America is all about the First Amendment, I get it. The problem is CK is not acting in his individual capacity, hes acting in his capacity as an NFL superstar who is breaking his written contract with the NFL and his unwritten contract with NFL fans that he will toe the company line in exchange for high privilege and million of dollars to play a useless game solely for our entertainment. This opportunity comes courtesy of the people of America via an exemption to the Anti-Trust Act that allows the NFL to rake in billions and pass some 12 million dollars of it to CK. When I joined the military I gave up my right to sit out the National Anthem, and they never paid me anything like 12 million dollars. CK can exercise his right all he wants if he quits NFL football and gets a job, say, as a law enforcement officer where he can push community policing and fair treatment of all citizens in a meaningful way.
LeviF Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I still fail to understand why people care about what professional athletes say/think. The NFL ain't exactly a brain trust. I'm convinced it's all just to stir up ****. Of course in Kaep's case, it helps keep him in the spotlight once he loses his job to this guy.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 Yea but that's white people so who cares? Basketball is played with an orange ball that gets smashed on the floor repeatedly before being thrown into an orange hoop. #ompalompalivesmatter True, but you have to consider that baseball is played with a white ball and repeatedly smacked by mulatto or black bats only to be engulfed by brown gloves. WTF is that all about?
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 True, but you have to consider that baseball is played with a white ball and repeatedly smacked by mulatto or black bats only to be engulfed by brown gloves. WTF is that all about? then you got hockey. Bunch of drunk Russians and Canadians skating on white ice, hitting a black puck with mulatto sticks into Irish nets.
Uncle Joe Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I always thought Kaep only cared about himself with the whole kiss my own bicep thing. Maybe he's changed... <sarcasm font> Edited August 27, 2016 by Uncle Joe
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 then you got hockey. Bunch of drunk Russians and Canadians skating on white ice, hitting a black puck with mulatto sticks into Irish nets. Hockey is crazy looked through that prism. They should ban it.
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I always thought Kaep only cared about himself with the whole kiss my own bicep thing. Maybe he's changed... No, he hasn't. Its all about him. This whole conversation has pretty much ruined my faith in 21st century America, and my Saturday. I blame CK personally.
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 Hockey is crazy looked through that prism. They should ban it.Agreed. Did you get the Irish net part?
Dorkington Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 He has the freedom to express his opinions, regardless of if I agree with said opinions. Seems like a lot of noise over a non story.
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 I'm convinced it's all just to stir up ****. Of course in Kaep's case, it helps keep him in the spotlight once he loses his job to this guy. Or he's prepping for the claim "racist Chip Kelly fired me because I support civil rights."
Ralonzo Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 "This is not something that I am going to run by anybody," (Kaepernick) said. "I am not looking for approval. I have to stand up for people that are oppressed. ... If they take football away, my endorsements from me, I know that I stood up for what is right." Symptom #1: Obliviousness to irony.
Uncle Joe Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 No, he hasn't. Its all about him. This whole conversation has pretty much ruined my faith in 21st century America, and my Saturday. I blame CK personally. Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm font.
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