Augie Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 Apparently he is guilty of allowing a girl to buy him a hot dog. I have no problem with what he did. Let's not pretend the guy is addicted to heroin and was photographed shooting up in an alleyway. Was it from Ted's? That could be it's own addiction, but our guy has to keep up his figure!
Doc Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 So if it were your son who agreed to go into rehab at your urging you would be perfectly fine with him going out with the fellas one last time? This: Apparently he is guilty of allowing a girl to buy him a hot dog. I have no problem with what he did. Let's not pretend the guy is addicted to heroin and was photographed shooting up in an alleyway.
Mr. WEO Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 That's actually pretty funny! Fortunately, that's about all they'd be likely to get. Unfortunately, that's the protocol for serious and time proven reasons. I've known people who can do everything from smoke cigarettes to snort coke and be able top drop it on a dime and never miss it. I've also known people who needed their weed every single day and couldn't miss it. I'm not usually a pain in the arse on any one topic, but this is one I don't back down on. Did you ever consider a Pro Bowl NFL player might be depressed, even to the point of suicide, when entering a highly publicized rehab? That would be extremely unlikely, but certainly a possibility you have to consider. Who knows what is in the mind behind the public mask when going through the most traumatic thing in a person's life? But it's easy to be glib because it's only weed... I have considered that. But i have concluded he is not likely suicidal. Really, there is absolutely no evidence of this, so why even make that reach? As for his bad deal in life--yes, we heard that two years ago as well. Everyone excused the synthetic weed arrest and joy riding drag race because of the traumas he experienced in the past. Now two years later, he misses a drug test, triggers a suspension....and we must consider that he is suicidal?? Apparently he is guilty of allowing a girl to buy him a hot dog. I have no problem with what he did. Let's not pretend the guy is addicted to heroin and was photographed shooting up in an alleyway. Let's stop pretending he's an addict at all then.
Augie Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 I have considered that. But i have concluded he is not likely suicidal. Really, there is absolutely no evidence of this, so why even make that reach? As for his bad deal in life--yes, we heard that two years ago as well. Everyone excused the synthetic weed arrest and joy riding drag race because of the traumas he experienced in the past. Now two years later, he misses a drug test, triggers a suspension....and we must consider that he is suicidal?? Ahh, you are so consistent and this is so easy. I never said he was suicidal, only that that must be considered as a possibility. One that can NOT be ignored. To do so would be foolish and open up them up to extreme liability. But because you have concluded (with your Ph.D. And intensive interviews) he's fine that makes YOU the expert. Sometimes I hope you are just kidding.
Peter Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 I have considered that. But i have concluded he is not likely suicidal. Really, there is absolutely no evidence of this, so why even make that reach? As for his bad deal in life--yes, we heard that two years ago as well. Everyone excused the synthetic weed arrest and joy riding drag race because of the traumas he experienced in the past. Now two years later, he misses a drug test, triggers a suspension....and we must consider that he is suicidal?? Let's stop pretending he's an addict at all then. In addition to NOT being photographed shooting up heroin, he also was NOT photographed smoking pot.
FireChan Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Ahh, you are so consistent and this is so easy. I never said he was suicidal, only that that must be considered as a possibility. One that can NOT be ignored. To do so would be foolish and open up them up to extreme liability. But because you have concluded (with your Ph.D. And intensive interviews) he's fine that makes YOU the expert. Sometimes I hope you are just kidding. By this logic, Karlos may also be suicidal. Why are we ignoring that? Edited August 22, 2016 by FireChan
Augie Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 By this logic, Karlos may also be suicidal. Why are we ignoring that? Karlos is not reported to be entering rehab. It's common protocol. That was the context. Any more questions?
Beerball Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 Apparently he is guilty of allowing a girl to buy him a hot dog. I have no problem with what he did. Let's not pretend the guy is addicted to heroin and was photographed shooting up in an alleyway. This: How can it be "this" when neither of you answered the question? If this were your child and they had just forfeited 1/4 of their yearly salary and were suspended for 1/4 of their work year because (fill in the blank) and at your urging they agreed to enter rehab would you be with him going out with the gang one last time? You can fill in the blank with whatever you like, porn, alcohol whatever...
Augie Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) How can it be "this" when neither of you answered the question? If this were your child and they had just forfeited 1/4 of their yearly salary and were suspended for 1/4 of their work year because (fill in the blank) and at your urging they agreed to enter rehab would you be with him going out with the gang one last time? You can fill in the blank with whatever you like, porn, alcohol whatever... Yeah, it's no problem at all.... I've been there, it was my kid. You try, and try, but they won't listen. But sometimes they come around. We got lucky. Edited August 22, 2016 by Augie
Peter Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 How can it be "this" when neither of you answered the question? If this were your child and they had just forfeited 1/4 of their yearly salary and were suspended for 1/4 of their work year because (fill in the blank) and at your urging they agreed to enter rehab would you be with him going out with the gang one last time? You can fill in the blank with whatever you like, porn, alcohol whatever... I have no problem for all of the reasons stayed in my prior posts.
Saint Doug Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 Karlos is not reported to be entering rehab. It's common protocol. That was the context. Any more questions? I have one. Why is a guy who's seriously contemplating suicide going out partying? People with major depressive disorder usually experience anhedonia as well as become socially withdrawn. But he's out there with a captain's hat (?) grinning ear to ear.
Doc Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 How can it be "this" when neither of you answered the question? If this were your child and they had just forfeited 1/4 of their yearly salary and were suspended for 1/4 of their work year because (fill in the blank) and at your urging they agreed to enter rehab would you be with him going out with the gang one last time? You can fill in the blank with whatever you like, porn, alcohol whatever... If my son made $80M despite smoking pot for a good portion of his life, I'd say he was doing pretty well. Pot isn't like other drugs and is legal in one form or another in half the country. The only reason it's an issue here is because the NFL prohibits it and suspends for it. So I'd realize that the "rehab" was to get back a game earlier. And as long as he wasn't filmed smoking pot, I'd have no issue with it.
Augie Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) I have one. Why is a guy who's seriously contemplating suicide going out partying? People with major depressive disorder usually experience anhedonia as well as become socially withdrawn. But he's out there with a captain's hat (?) grinning ear to ear. Hey, I'm not saying he's not trying to game the system. Not for a second. I just know more about the rehab system than I ever wanted to know. When faced with 30 days of all day sessions with groups and counsellors, people change their tune. There's a reason the initial monitoring exists. I was clear that it's a precaution, but it's common industry wide. Also, I'm guessing you don't know a lot about depression. It manifests in many ways and it's not just the guy in the chair in the corner who can't look up from the floor. I'm not saying it's any of this, but I'm sure most people here just don't get the complexity of the situation. Edited August 22, 2016 by Augie
Mr. WEO Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 Ahh, you are so consistent and this is so easy. I never said he was suicidal, only that that must be considered as a possibility. One that can NOT be ignored. To do so would be foolish and open up them up to extreme liability. But because you have concluded (with your Ph.D. And intensive interviews) he's fine that makes YOU the expert. Sometimes I hope you are just kidding. You grew that hair out so you could then split it. No, I don't think we have to consider the possibility that Marcel Dareus is suicidal. In fact, go ahead and ignore that possibility. I'm with doc on this one. Dareus is not an addict and it is far more likely that he is entering rehab in order to possibly reduce his time away from the game---or at least because the team told him he had to in order to assure everyone that he and the Bills take all of this very seriously. In addition to NOT being photographed shooting up heroin, he also was NOT photographed smoking pot. Because he's not addicted to pot. He probably was sober the whole night, in fact. Who cares?
3rdand12 Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 Same bad decision making and an inability to "keep their heads down" immediately following an incident. Taunting ! 15 yards !
3rdand12 Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Honestly, none of us know whether there is more to the story. Some folks walk around smiling , and then poof ! They are gone.Everyone says . " but he seemed so happy" " I just talked to him on the phone last night he seemed fine" and the famous " never saw that coming " Kid has had a complicated life. When the coping mechanism breaks down the monster can rear its ugly head. Seen it. Not a fan of marginalizing what has proven to be a problem with him. he cant stay out of trouble. He is 26 now right? Well shall see if this helps him. And some of us , hope it does. Edited August 22, 2016 by 3rdand12
Beerball Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 If my son made $80M despite smoking pot for a good portion of his life, I'd say he was doing pretty well. Pot isn't like other drugs and is legal in one form or another in half the country. The only reason it's an issue here is because the NFL prohibits it and suspends for it. So I'd realize that the "rehab" was to get back a game earlier. And as long as he wasn't filmed smoking pot, I'd have no issue with it. Again, you fail to answer the question & because I've posed it twice, the second time with more details, it's obvious that you won't. I hope that this doesn't come across as crass, but, I'm glad that you aren't my doc, Doc.
ALF Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 If the honey badger can turn it around , there's hope for mr big stuff. I just hate guaranteed contracts just in case it goes south.
Saint Doug Posted August 22, 2016 Posted August 22, 2016 Also, I'm guessing you don't know a lot about depression. It manifests in many ways and it's not just the guy in the chair in the corner who can't look up from the floor. Actually, I'm a physician. I have cared for many patients who were actively suicidal. I agree, MDD manifests in different ways (although the DSM would beg to differ), but people who are actively suicidal are pretty uniform in their behaviors and mannerisms.
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