Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 If you can't see the similarities between Hogan and Weker I don't know what to tell you.Hogan and Weker both have five letters in their name, and at least one of them hires but hates midgets. What else you got?
Kirby Jackson Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Hogan and Weker both have five letters in their name, and at least one of them hires but hates midgets. What else you got?Welker actually has 6
GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) It's not ragging on him by saying what he is, a below average TE. He was never a good player but had a great opportunity with us. People often mistake opportunity for ability. The Bills used to start Donald Jones at WR too. He was terrible. Just because those guys started doesn't mean they were starting caliber. Agreed, I was never saying that he wouldn't have been an okay number 2. It was the people predicting him to be a Pro Bowler (you know, because New England) that drove me nuts. But some of us didn't say that about Chandler and think Hogan will be good there. The fact that Chandler wasn't has nothing to do with whether Hogan will be. Edited August 28, 2016 by GunnerBill
bacarri and coke Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Welker actually has 6 lol he got u on that...look how he spelled it.. I get that Hogan is a different type of receiver than Welker that's true but I think he does really well in NE.He is more reliable than some on this board give him credit for and he stays healthy.The reason he was a bubble guy for so long was because he was learning the trade.He after being blessed by saint Doug and the like is now a bona-fide WR and NE will reap the rewards of ours and miami's coaching and training...sucks
Kirby Jackson Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 But some of us didn't say that about Chandler and think Hogan will be good there. The fact that Chandler wasn't has nothing to do with whether Hogan will be.Agreed, this was in response specifically to Chandler. The people that assume everyone gets magically better because of a Pats uniform is a source of frustration though. They haven't drafted or done particularly well in FA. They have found some gems like Dion Lewis but for the most part they are extremely well coached. They don't win because of their overwhelming talent; they win because they execute so well. Fwiw, I think that Hogan can be productive there. You and I have different views on him. I think that he's just a guy in the NFL (I feel the same way about Woods). I wouldn't be surprised though if he had 60-70 catches and 6 or 7 TDs (something like that).
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Agreed, this was in response specifically to Chandler. The people that assume everyone gets magically better because of a Pats uniform is a source of frustration though. They haven't drafted or done particularly well in FA. They have found some gems like Dion Lewis but for the most part they are extremely well coached. They don't win because of their overwhelming talent; they win because they execute so well. Fwiw, I think that Hogan can be productive there. You and I have different views on him. I think that he's just a guy in the NFL (I feel the same way about Woods). I wouldn't be surprised though if he had 60-70 catches and 6 or 7 TDs (something like that). I just don't see him playing all that much with the two TEs as well as Edelman and Amendola. Not to mention Dobson.
Marty McFly Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) Hogan and Weker both have five letters in their name, and at least one of them hires but hates midgets. What else you got? LOL why the midget hate? midget strippers rule! ive always wanted to bang a midget. i bet the poon is super tight Edited August 28, 2016 by Marty McFly
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Actually he was quite good on the Dolphins who recognized that and very much wanted to keep him until the cheating Patriots stole him from them. They tendered him cheap and chose not to match... Another similarity that hasn't come up
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 LOL why the midget hate? midget strippers rule! ive always wanted to bang a midget. i bet the poon is super tight Welker has a short complex and on his wedding he hired a bunch of midget waiters so he would be taller than all of them.
GG Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Fwiw, it was a great pass and catch. Really pissed me off
NoSaint Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Agreed, this was in response specifically to Chandler. The people that assume everyone gets magically better because of a Pats uniform is a source of frustration though. They haven't drafted or done particularly well in FA. They have found some gems like Dion Lewis but for the most part they are extremely well coached. They don't win because of their overwhelming talent; they win because they execute so well. Fwiw, I think that Hogan can be productive there. You and I have different views on him. I think that he's just a guy in the NFL (I feel the same way about Woods). I wouldn't be surprised though if he had 60-70 catches and 6 or 7 TDs (something like that). He needs to make a jump that sounds tiny but is huge. He has the size/speed to do it but I'm not sure why he hasn't.... One of the easiest offense plays in the NFL is catching a 7 yard pass on 3rd and 9, and getting tackled a yard shy of the sticks. I think half this board could reliably do that. It's those extra couple of feet- whether running into and beating tight coverage at the sticks, or breaking a tackle on the underneath catch.... It's those ectra couple feet that separate the depth players from the weapons. Hogan comes up on the wrong side of it too often, despite being a fast guy, that's good sized. I don't know if it's awareness or something else. Maybe coaching and qb play helps it but until I see him take that step... That he has not yet makes me wonder if he will
bacarri and coke Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) Let's say Hogan is JAG for the sake of argument and gets open on 25% of his routs (I made this up just hypothetical)with an average JAG qb or a qb that throws below league average like ours and he only catches x amount of balls.Now you put JAG Hogan on a team where his qb sees him open on almost all 25% of his open routs and throws far over the league average a Boom JAG becomes not freaking Wess Welker but more than JAG.Now he is a reliable guy that gets a lot of opportunities. Edited August 28, 2016 by bacarri and coke
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Welker was amazing at Texas Tech while hogan was busy playing lacrosse ? If hogan was twice as fast he might be welker. So amazing he was an UDFA... you know who else was an UDFA?
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 They tendered him cheap and chose not to match... Another similarity that hasn't come up No. What happened was the Patriots negotiated with him a RFA offer and put a poison pill into it, saying that if he played three games or more in the state of Florida that season he was due a huge pay increase. The Dolphins knew they were going to lose him for nothing, and at the time few teams would do this but the NFL wouldn't stop it, so they decided to trade him to the Pats for a second and seventh round pick rather than get nothing by not matching the offer.
NoSaint Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 No. What happened was the Patriots negotiated with him a RFA offer and put a poison pill into it, saying that if he played three games or more in the state of Florida that season he was due a huge pay increase. The Dolphins knew they were going to lose him for nothing, and at the time few teams would do this but the NFL wouldn't stop it, so they decided to trade him to the Pats for a second and seventh round pick rather than get nothing by not matching the offer. Yea a second round tender isn't skimping on a guy
bacarri and coke Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) No. What happened was the Patriots negotiated with him a RFA offer and put a poison pill into it, saying that if he played three games or more in the state of Florida that season he was due a huge pay increase. The Dolphins knew they were going to lose him for nothing, and at the time few teams would do this but the NFL wouldn't stop it, so they decided to trade him to the Pats for a second and seventh round pick rather than get nothing by not matching the offer.wow good info.If u knew that without looking it up I bow to your knowledge of the pig skin...hell even if u looked it up its impressive Edited August 28, 2016 by bacarri and coke
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 wow good info.If u knew that without looking it up I bow to your knowledge of the pig skin...hell even if u looked it up its impressive No, I remembered it. It's one of the reasons I hate the Patriots. The Bills got abused by the Colts doing a similar thing in the 90s.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) No, I remembered it. It's one of the reasons I hate the Patriots. The Bills got abused by the Colts doing a similar thing in the 90s. Will Wolford IIRC. Edited August 28, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz
Kelly the Dog Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Will Wolford IIRC. Yep. Wolford was a starter in the first three Super Bowls. Left tackle in two of them. The Colts signed him to an offer sheet that made him the highest paid lineman in the league at the time, which he couldn't turn down. But they included escalators in the contract that he had to be the highest paid player on the offense. The Colts had no other big ticket items at the time with higher contracts than LTs. The Bills had Kelly and Thurman and Andre. So they couldn't match it. And the league didn't stop it.
Thurmal34 Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Why do we care? Is there a single poster here that thinks the Bills should have gone 3/12 on Hogan?
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