BringBackOrton Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 Agreed. Hogan makes more sense in a Pats offense that revolves around the short passing game than a Bills offense that revolves around the run. How do you figure?
Boatdrinks Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 Brady's post-Ravens game comment paraphrased: "Hogan wasn't the first option on the long TD pass, but he saw what I saw and adjusted his route." Sometimes getting open isn't just about running the right route or being quicker/faster than the DB. Big deal. Hunter ran wide open down the seam on Sunday vs PIT and good ole Tyrod didn't so much as look his way. Hogans current QB is much better than Tyrod. Bills WRs get open too, they just lack a QB to get them the ball.
Andrew Son Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 Hogan rules, smart man too.Yep, he's got a high football iq. Plus, he's a high motor lunch pail type
dave mcbride Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 No hate. I'm just no fan of any lament over a JAG as if he's some great talent. I gotta take exception to this. He has been playing great this year: absolutely terrific route running, great blocking, good feet, and sure hands. On an offense with that many weapons, he's not gonna get a ton of catches because he's not a first option. But he's an extremely useful piece, and he has objectively played very, very well.
Captain_Quint Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Big deal. Hunter ran wide open down the seam on Sunday vs PIT and good ole Tyrod didn't so much as look his way. Hogans current QB is much better than Tyrod. Bills WRs get open too, they just lack a QB to get them the ball.I saw this too. The guys 6'4 and he had his hands up the whole time because nobody was near him and Tyrod never saw him. If we had retained Hogan, he would have been wasted anyway. He's a good, solid, possession receiver. The kind that we dont really need around here until we have a good QB. Edited December 13, 2016 by Captain_Quint
MDH Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 I gotta take exception to this. He has been playing great this year: absolutely terrific route running, great blocking, good feet, and sure hands. On an offense with that many weapons, he's not gonna get a ton of catches because he's not a first option. But he's an extremely useful piece, and he has objectively played very, very well. He's going to get a ton of touches because he's on a team that throws a lot, with a QB who spreads the ball around and is very accurate. Hogan isn't a bad WR by any means but every single WR who goes to NE (and actually gets on the field regularly) puts up good numbers, almost without exception. Brady makes all those guys look much better than they would in any other offense.
boyst Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 He's going to get a ton of touches because he's on a team that throws a lot, with a QB who spreads the ball around and is very accurate. Hogan isn't a bad WR by any means but every single WR who goes to NE (and actually gets on the field regularly) puts up good numbers, almost without exception. Brady makes all those guys look much better than they would in any other offense. uhhh. Not so fast. Plenty go there and fail. Plenty go there. Then go to the next team and flourish. Brandon lafell was hated in Carolina. Couldn't do a damn thing in the pass happiest cannon armed offense ever. Aaaaand still killed it more in NE* and now Cinci. Its the players and Brady. They don't all flourish. Many, many fail
Fan in Chicago Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 I gotta take exception to this. He has been playing great this year: absolutely terrific route running, great blocking, good feet, and sure hands. On an offense with that many weapons, he's not gonna get a ton of catches because he's not a first option. But he's an extremely useful piece, and he has objectively played very, very well. I find it surprising that his current performance is a surprise to some (not you). There were a few of us in this board who thought he was a very capable #4 and even a marginal #3 WR talent. As Brady does, he has elevated Hogan's production but it's not like the talent wasn't there. Many here refused to accept that. And those complaining against his price tag, I think it plays into the overall team building strategy. We were left with less to spend on him due to over spend on players like Clay
Beef Jerky Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 He wouldn't have made a difference on this team.
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 He looks like a different guy. Of course, he was running wide open through the secondary at times. And he now has a QB who can throw with pinpoint accuracy. So, he pretty much is a different guy.
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 He wouldn't have made a difference on this team. Better WRs would not have made a difference. Strong work.
Doc Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 Better WRs would not have made a difference. Strong work. He said Hogan would not have helped. Not "better" WRs.
MDH Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) uhhh. Not so fast. Plenty go there and fail. Plenty go there. Then go to the next team and flourish. Brandon lafell was hated in Carolina. Couldn't do a damn thing in the pass happiest cannon armed offense ever. Aaaaand still killed it more in NE* and now Cinci. Its the players and Brady. They don't all flourish. Many, many fail Your example is LaFell? A guy who never had more than 49 catches in any year before arriving at the Pats and then proceeds to put up 74 in his first season with NE? His numbers weren't nearly as good his second year as he dealt with a foot injury that kept him out 5 games and hampered him in some others but despite that he still put up numbers that were comparable to his career averages prior to arriving in NE. I'm guessing there are guys one could bring up to prove it's not everybody, but LaFell isn't one of them. Edited December 13, 2016 by MDH
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 He said Hogan would not have helped. Not "better" WRs. How do better players not help? Anyway, on the game deciding play to Hogan (Deadspin): "Both Brady and Hogan noticed, independently, that the Ravens were in a disguised coverage without a deep safety. Hogan adjusted to a go-route, and Brady knew to look for him, because the play they were running was bound to lure safety Eric Weddle away from the middle of the field. And indeed, the play-action got Weddle wrong-footed, Julian Edelman’s route drew him away from Hogan, and Hogan merely had to outrun safety Matt Elam, who was lined up unusually tight. Brady hit him in stride. Game over." Yeah, Hogan is a JAG jut running around out there. Bills WR corps is loaded with guys like him. No room for another...
dave mcbride Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Your example is LaFell? A guy who never had more than 49 catches in any year before arriving at the Pats and then proceeds to put up 74 in his first season with NE? His numbers weren't nearly as good his second year as he dealt with a foot injury that kept him out 5 games and hampered him in some others but despite that he still put up numbers that were comparable to his career averages prior to arriving in NE. I'm guessing there are guys one could bring up to prove it's not everybody, but LaFell isn't one of them. There are a bunch of receivers who didn't fare well in NE. Chad Johnson, Jabbar Gaffney, Chad Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Ben Watson, and Donte Stallworth, to name a few. There are others. LaFell wasn't that good either despite catching a lot of balls a couple of years ago. Edited December 13, 2016 by dave mcbride
26CornerBlitz Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 Still a JAG and !@#$ Chris Hogan!
PO16FFS Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 Still a JAG and !@#$ Chris Hogan! Exactly...Jesus..who gives a sh.it. All game I saw him do absolutely nothing.
Doc Posted December 13, 2016 Posted December 13, 2016 How do better players not help? Anyway, on the game deciding play to Hogan (Deadspin): "Both Brady and Hogan noticed, independently, that the Ravens were in a disguised coverage without a deep safety. Hogan adjusted to a go-route, and Brady knew to look for him, because the play they were running was bound to lure safety Eric Weddle away from the middle of the field. And indeed, the play-action got Weddle wrong-footed, Julian Edelman’s route drew him away from Hogan, and Hogan merely had to outrun safety Matt Elam, who was lined up unusually tight. Brady hit him in stride. Game over." Yeah, Hogan is a JAG jut running around out there. Bills WR corps is loaded with guys like him. No room for another... He's nothing special. Suffice it to say the difference is at QB.
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