FireChan Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Tyrod is never going to be a pure passer and Tom Brady is never going to rush for substantial gains each week like Taylor does. Take note of our record when passing the ball less than 30 times. That's not just a coincidence, Roman wants to run and limit pass attempts while controlling the game. That's when he is comfortable with and it seems to fit Taylor's style. It's not as fun as some of the passing offenses, I'd enjoy it more if we had a bigger primary running back and scrapped the trick plays. It's not about "fun" to me, it's about defenses needing to respect Tyrod's arm. Until he proves he's capable of going out there any given week and destroying a defense with his arm, we won't get far with him at the helm, outside of having a historic defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 It's not about "fun" to me, it's about defenses needing to respect Tyrod's arm. Until he proves he's capable of going out there any given week and destroying a defense with his arm, we won't get far with him at the helm, outside of having a historic defense. That's all fair, I can imagine the odds of TT hoisting the super bowl trophy as being pretty low. Better question would be will Roman ever get one as an OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) It's not about "fun" to me, it's about defenses needing to respect Tyrod's arm. Until he proves he's capable of going out there any given week and destroying a defense with his arm, we won't get far with him at the helm, outside of having a historic defense. You better respect his arm, he is one of the best, if not the best at passing over 20 yards in the NFL. Tyrod makes you play the entire field. The QBs that pick you apart typically do it under 20 yards. Thats the ideal QB, but like I said, Tyrod is not like other QBs. Edited July 30, 2016 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) This is all part of QB development. The win vs attempts argument doesn't mean anything yet... Does anyone think first year starters are throwing 30+ times in games you're winning? Now frame that question within a Roman offense. Edited July 30, 2016 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacarri and coke Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I hate these skewed stats.When your down two touchdowns your going to throw more.When your already losing the chances of winning are dramatically lower so he's not losing because he's throwing more,he is having to throw more because he's losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Tom Brady is 119-38. Jim Kelly went 40-44. For the record EJ Manuel is 1-8 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. The reality is eventually a QB has to win games without his legs. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 1-3 when attempting under 5 rushes in a game. Tom Brady is 163-52. Jim Kelly went 99-58. For the record EJ Manuel is 6-9 when attempting under 5 rushes in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) The reality is eventually a QB has to win games without his legs. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 1-3 when attempting under 5 rushes in a game. Tom Brady is 163-52. Jim Kelly went 99-58. For the record EJ Manuel is 6-9 when attempting under 5 rushes in a game. The 3 losses were to NE and KC each game by 1 score. The argument you are making is he should run over 5 times because he is 7 and 3 when running over 5 times. Edited July 30, 2016 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Tom Brady is 119-38. Jim Kelly went 40-44. For the record EJ Manuel is 1-8 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. So...TT=Jim Kelly. Amirite? Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Tyrod's snap to release time was the "big, dirty, stat" for me... Longer than any QB in the league... I put a small portion of that on Roman's scheming... He's just way too predictable... We need more quick-hit plays that use the middle of the field... Run a customized variation of the K-gun for Tyrod... Then I'll be impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Tom Brady is 119-38. Jim Kelly went 40-44. For the record EJ Manuel is 1-8 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Sure glad you put that Manuel stat in there. That clears it up. (Just a little joke, Dr. Sack, and I mean a very little joke.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I personally dont need that big 300+yard 3 TD game to be sold on him. He is a different QB. People would be surprised how close his total yards per game and TD total is to everyone's next great QB Derek Carr, not to mention his winning % is better as well. I like this post as I do Commonsense's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Tyrod's snap to release time was the "big, dirty, stat" for me... Longer than any QB in the league... I put a small portion of that on Roman's scheming... He's just way too predictable... We need more quick-hit plays that use the middle of the field... Run a customized variation of the K-gun for Tyrod... Then I'll be impressed. And yet he didn't turn the ball over much, despite all that time. Which tells me he's taking stock of what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Quarterbacks don't have win-loss records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 his record would be better if a certain somebody didn't feel insecure around Jim Schwartz That is just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 Oh my god I can't figure out why our first year starting QB doesn't have stats that are as good as a 16 year *HOF*QB*. OH wait..... it's all good, I just looked it up Peyton Manning went 1-11 his first year when attempting over 30 passes and he went on to throw for almost 41 miles worth of yardage in his career.. News flash first year starting QB struggles when asked to put the team on his back and throw a lot. No kiddin. Manning was what 21/22 with no NFL experience, and on a team that went 1-15 or 3-13 the year before? Tyrod had 4 years on the bench to become a polished QB. Lookup Aaron Rodgers which is a comparable comparison. They are 1" height difference, and highly mobile. Rodgers went 4-8, and for his career 56-30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 The reality is eventually a QB has to win games with his arm. Troubling statistics for the Bills Tyrod is 0-5 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Tom Brady is 119-38. Jim Kelly went 40-44. For the record EJ Manuel is 1-8 when attempting over 30 passes in a game. Statistics are for losers, and Fantasy players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) The 3 losses were to NE and KC each game by 1 score. The argument you are making is he should run over 5 times because he is 7 and 3 when running over 5 times. I'm not really making any argument other than this kind of statistical argument is just plain wrong on so many levels. I can only make light of it by showing the numbers I did. Edited July 30, 2016 by The Thurmanator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 He also ran for the 2nd most yards of any starting QB behind Cam Newton which cannot be dismissed. Bottom line is he finished 8-6 for his first year, and if you compare to any other first year QB's, that is pretty good. You can cherry pick stats because TT had a better QB rating than Aaron Rodgers his first year. Peyton Manning was 3-13 his first year. It's basically a wait and see right now. If he progresses due to having a whole off season, knows the playbook, had a good OTA workouts, is the starter for camp and gets all the reps in TC, then the expectations are higher. Well put. I think you have to bear in mind that Greg Roman doesn't set up to pass heavily. His 4 years in San Francisco, he averaged 447 pass attempts a season (27.9 per game). Last year we averaged 29 attempts per game. Points against 49er defenses were: 229 (2011), 273 (2012), 272 (2013), 340 (2014). In 2015, the Bills conceded 359 points. Guess which years those teams went 8-8. This brand of football is a team effort. The defense has to be stingy and the offense has to control the ball, control the clock. It's not perfect, it's probably not what most of us want to see but it is what it is. If we're passing 30 times a game, it's likely that we've not seen the defensive improvement we hope is coming. Nice work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Tyrod is never going to be a pure passer and Tom Brady is never going to rush for substantial gains each week like Taylor does. Take note of our record when passing the ball less than 30 times. That's not just a coincidence, Roman wants to run and limit pass attempts while controlling the game. That's when he is comfortable with and it seems to fit Taylor's style. It's not as fun as some of the passing offenses, I'd enjoy it more if we had a bigger primary running back and scrapped the trick plays. What's the better thing? More passes or more runs? I'm going with more passes. The running gets you killed, and while it saves some plays it ruins others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Roman plays ball control and limits passes because he has QB's that aren't trustworthy. You don't want Kaep throwing 40 times a game, because he sucks. Edited July 31, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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