NoSaint Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 (edited) If we don't resign him now Tyrod plays for $3M this season. If he plays lights out we give him the franchise tag (if unable to workout a long term deal) for about $21 or $22 million. So bills have Tyrod for 2 years $25M as it stands now, with the ability to not commit one dollar more if he plays terribly this year. If they decide to rip up this deal and replace it with 2 years $30M they are not only giving him $5M extra but they are locking into next year before seeing this year's results. It makes absolutely no sense. The only way a deal like this becomes favorable for the Bills is to add a team option 3rd year to the deal that is totally unguaranteed. And that 3rd year would need to be south of $18M for me to want to do it. Now you have Tyrod for let's say: $12M in '16 $18M in "17 $18M in '18 Total 3 years $48M As opposed to: $3M in '16 $21M in '17 (franchise tag) $25.5M in '18 (franchise tag) Total 3 years $49.5M At least in this scenario the Bills are saving $1.5 M, but even with that, I personally wouldn't want to do that deal because I'm not protected against Tyrod totally imploding, as the Bills currently are. I really think they should let this season play out. it gives them some gilmore flexibility. and i guess shuts up his agent next year (though probably not, but at least avoids hold out maybe?). is that worth a $5m raise, and promising next year? maybe. on the flip side TT gets some guarantees - but would be at the very bottom of the vet starters pay grade. is that worth giving up the shorter path to his monster deal? maybe? theres some good on both sides but thats kind of what i was saying about not being sure there is enough positive for both sides to convince me they would each be coming to the table for this specific set of numbers. Edited August 5, 2016 by NoSaint
YoloinOhio Posted August 5, 2016 Author Posted August 5, 2016 @salsports One thing to remember with Bills/Taylor: team has him "under their control" for essentially 32 more games as-is right now b/c of tag... ...They could say "we don't have to do anything here for 2 more seasons." That's what plays in their favor. But no one really wants that..
eme123 Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Bills need to protect themselves if Tyrod plays average to great. When it comes time to renegotiate the Bills will have nothing to stand on other than the franchise tag. The tag is a nice card to have in your pocket but that virtually guarantees he doesn't stay for year 3. Plus 21M is hard to carry under the cap.
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 @salsports One thing to remember with Bills/Taylor: team has him "under their control" for essentially 32 more games as-is right now b/c of tag... ...They could say "we don't have to do anything here for 2 more seasons." That's what plays in their favor. But no one really wants that.. On the same side of that.... Tyrod and his agent probably know that the bills might want to use that Tag on Gilmore....... It only works if they believe the bills would be willing to move on from Gilmore if they cant come to terms with him
BarleyNY Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Bills need to protect themselves if Tyrod plays average to great. When it comes time to renegotiate the Bills will have nothing to stand on other than the franchise tag. The tag is a nice card to have in your pocket but that virtually guarantees he doesn't stay for year 3. Plus 21M is hard to carry under the cap. I agree that it'd be nice for the Bills to have a deal in place for 2-3 more years (effectively) and not to worry about using a tag on him next season. But I disagree that using it means he's gone the following year. I doubt Taylor would sign it. He'd force a long term deal or trade. $21M isn't that far out of line for a top half of the league QB and it's a great deal if you got him for $3M the previous season. That's a $12M per year average.
thebandit27 Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 On the same side of that.... Tyrod and his agent probably know that the bills might want to use that Tag on Gilmore....... It only works if they believe the bills would be willing to move on from Gilmore if they cant come to terms with him It doesn't matter really...all the Bills have to do is make it clear that--in the event neither is signed, they'll use the tag on Taylor.
NoSaint Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Bills need to protect themselves if Tyrod plays average to great. When it comes time to renegotiate the Bills will have nothing to stand on other than the franchise tag. The tag is a nice card to have in your pocket but that virtually guarantees he doesn't stay for year 3. Plus 21M is hard to carry under the cap. virtually guarantees is a pretty over the top phrase here.
Maury Ballstein Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 (edited) Let him beat the pats then pay him. Or save that money for a good qb. Edited August 5, 2016 by Ryan L Billz
DrDawkinstein Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Let him beat the pats then pay him. Or save that money for a good qb. Even the janeane garofalo Pats? Does he have to play defense and kick FGs too?
Maury Ballstein Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Even the janeane garofalo Pats? Does he have to play defense and kick FGs too? Even the garafolo ones. Even Pickspatrick beat the pats to unlock his riches.
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Even the garafolo ones. Even Pickspatrick beat the pats to unlock his riches It takes a village to beat the mighty patriots
Maury Ballstein Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 It takes a village to beat the mighty patriots Or score 20 points instead of doing a Trenative impression.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 (edited) Or score 20 points instead of doing a Trenative impression. Pretty sure when Fitz did it the Defense got 4 picks. Tends to help as well. EDIT: Double checked, yeah 4 INT's, one for a TD and we still only won by 3 points. Edited August 5, 2016 by BuffaloHokie13
YoloinOhio Posted August 5, 2016 Author Posted August 5, 2016 Interesting @johnTWCnews Tyrod Taylor says he's blocking out all the noise regarding his contract situation. Says hasn't talked to agent since camp started. #Bills
Maury Ballstein Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Pretty sure when Fitz did it the Defense got 4 picks. Tends to help as well. EDIT: Double checked, yeah 4 INT's, one for a TD and we still only won by 3 points. 20 points ain't hard. Time to improve year 2
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Interesting @johnTWCnews Tyrod Taylor says he's blocking out all the noise regarding his contract situation. Says hasn't talked to agent since camp started. #Bills Nah, Im sure he told his agent what he wants so there is no need for him to talk to him until the contract offer has been met CBF
NoSaint Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Interesting @johnTWCnews Tyrod Taylor says he's blocking out all the noise regarding his contract situation. Says hasn't talked to agent since camp started. #Bills if he gave his agent a set of parameters - theres no reason to chat on any and every offer. just big curveballs and when agent thinks its VERY close to the best he can get.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 if he gave his agent a set of parameters - theres no reason to chat on any and every offer. just big curveballs and when agent thinks its VERY close to the best he can get. This explains my last post so much better lol CBF
YoloinOhio Posted August 5, 2016 Author Posted August 5, 2016 @spotrac Re: Tyrod Taylor & the #Bills: A 4 yr contract with the first 2 yrs GTD at signing can look like a blockbuster but act like a bridge deal.
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