BarleyNY Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 WOW! The Rams still owe him $6M in guaranteed salary for this season. http://overthecap.com/player/nick-foles/773/ Uh oh @jasoncole Traveling, unsure if this is out there: 1. Source said Foles likely to #Vikings, #Bills or #Cowboys. 2. #Jets expressed interest in Foles All four of those teams make sense. All could use an upgrade at backup. EJ might actually be the best backup in the group, but it's probably best for both parties to move on from this failing marriage. He won't be here next season and Jones won't be ready so signing Foles to a backup level 2-3 year deal would provide more continuity at the QB position.
BuffaloWings Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) All four of those teams make sense. All could use an upgrade at backup. EJ might actually be the best backup in the group, but it's probably best for both parties to move on from this failing marriage. He won't be here next season and Jones won't be ready so signing Foles to a backup level 2-3 year deal would provide more continuity at the QB position. This is why I'd do it. Considering Tyrod's mobility and potential for injury, I'd rather see Foles back there than EJ. Roman would be able to figure out a game plan with Foles. The Jets are now out of it, so Minny & Dallas are probably the most viable competition. Edited July 28, 2016 by BuffaloWings
Mr. WEO Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 The Bills really CAN'T CUT EJ! How many times do people have to post that here? His salary is guaranteed, so it makes zero sense. EJ gets paid and counts against the salary cap no matter if he's on the team or not. It isn't a complex situation to figure out. They cut Mario and it cost them 7 million in dead money on the cap....and they "really CAN'T CUT EJ!" because it would cost them 1.6 million? Even if his replacement is a better player, the Bills HAVE TO KEEP EJ! because his salary is guaranteed?
thebandit27 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 The Bills really CAN'T CUT EJ! How many times do people have to post that here? His salary is guaranteed, so it makes zero sense. EJ gets paid and counts against the salary cap no matter if he's on the team or not. It isn't a complex situation to figure out. No, it's not complex: they don't save any money by cutting EJ, and they clearly aren't going to cut Cardale after they just drafted him. That said, if they feel that they have a better option at backup QB, vis-a-vis Foles, they don't take any additional cap hit to cut EJ. His being here is hardy a lock at this point
ALLEN1QB Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 I see it now we Sign Foles EJ goes to Jets and kills us for 10 years.
CommonCents Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 I see it now we Sign Foles EJ goes to Jets and kills us for 10 years. Oh great #ballboydrought
BarleyNY Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 No, it's not complex: they don't save any money by cutting EJ, and they clearly aren't going to cut Cardale after they just drafted him. That said, if they feel that they have a better option at backup QB, vis-a-vis Foles, they don't take any additional cap hit to cut EJ. His being here is hardy a lock at this point Exactly. The Rams are still going to pay Foles $6M in guaranteed salary this season. It's a sunk cost. Ditto EJ's $1.6M guaranteed salary. It would depend on what Foles costs (obviously), but it sure makes sense from a personnel standpoint. My only concern would be his contract as paying a backup more than Taylor might create some turmoil there. As little as Tyrod is making this season ($3M), he's still the highest paid QB on the team. I'd be careful on my contract offer to Foles, but I'd take him.
thebandit27 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 Exactly. The Rams are still going to pay Foles $6M in guaranteed salary this season. It's a sunk cost. Ditto EJ's $1.6M guaranteed salary. It would depend on what Foles costs (obviously), but it sure makes sense from a personnel standpoint. My only concern would be his contract as paying a backup more than Taylor might create some turmoil there. As little as Tyrod is making this season ($3M), he's still the highest paid QB on the team. I'd be careful on my contract offer to Foles, but I'd take him. Moreover Barley, the only way to avoid paying EJ's $1.6M salary is to trade him. The fiscally-prudent maneuver--assuming they sign Foles and are comfortable with him as the backup (both of which are questionable)--would be to hold onto them both, wait for someone's backup to go down, and move EJ for a conditional pick.
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2016 Author Posted July 28, 2016 Moreover Barley, the only way to avoid paying EJ's $1.6M salary is to trade him. The fiscally-prudent maneuver--assuming they sign Foles and are comfortable with him as the backup (both of which are questionable)--would be to hold onto them both, wait for someone's backup to go down, and move EJ for a conditional pick. agree.
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 Foles is the prime example of a system qb. EJ has been in the system two years and actually had better numbers than Foles last year. Plus, it would cost money to cut him and bring him in. It really doesn't make sense.
BarleyNY Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 Moreover Barley, the only way to avoid paying EJ's $1.6M salary is to trade him. The fiscally-prudent maneuver--assuming they sign Foles and are comfortable with him as the backup (both of which are questionable)--would be to hold onto them both, wait for someone's backup to go down, and move EJ for a conditional pick. Totally agree. At $1.6M you'd have to think there'd be some interest. Anything. Conditional pick, player about to be cut, a team's next 7th round comp pick, whatever. Signing Foles would make EJ more attractive too as there is not much out there on the QB market after him. Dallas would make some real sense.
thebandit27 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 Foles is the prime example of a system qb. EJ has been in the system two years and actually had better numbers than Foles last year. Plus, it would cost money to cut him and bring him in. It really doesn't make sense. It doesn't cost money to cut EJ. Also, there's the Roman factor (i.e. run heavy offense) and the limited sample space as to why EJ may have had "better" numbers last year. Totally agree. At $1.6M you'd have to think there'd be some interest. Anything. Conditional pick, player about to be cut, a team's next 7th round comp pick, whatever. Signing Foles would make EJ more attractive too as there is not much out there on the QB market after him. Dallas would make some real sense. Yep--if you like Foles enough to be the backup, then you take whatever you can get.
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 It doesn't cost money to cut EJ. Also, there's the Roman factor (i.e. run heavy offense) and the limited sample space as to why EJ may have had "better" numbers last year. Yep--if you like Foles enough to be the backup, then you take whatever you can get. At same point, IMO, it is a lot harder to step in for a few games in the middle of the season. Backup Qbs barely get reps during the season. I think it is harder to play for a few games in the middle of the season than start for 10 games from the start of the season. Minus one stretch, Foles has been an average at best qb. It was always insane to me that the Eagles would ever try to replace him after his amazing season. That was probably one of the best td to int ratio in NFL history but the Eagles never seemed to want him. That seems like a huge red flag.
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2016 Author Posted July 28, 2016 @jamespalmertv Gary Kubiak said on 104.3 the Fan the Broncos have no interest in bringing in Nick Foles.
aristocrat Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 NE needs a QB to start the season!!!! just saying! he lights it up there and they trade him for a first
thebandit27 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 At same point, IMO, it is a lot harder to step in for a few games in the middle of the season. Backup Qbs barely get reps during the season. I think it is harder to play for a few games in the middle of the season than start for 10 games from the start of the season. Minus one stretch, Foles has been an average at best qb. It was always insane to me that the Eagles would ever try to replace him after his amazing season. That was probably one of the best td to int ratio in NFL history but the Eagles never seemed to want him. That seems like a huge red flag. In most cases, you're correct about it being tougher to step in midseason. In this case, however, EJ got 1/3 of the 1st team reps throughout the offseason, and even got the full-time starters reps for a week leading up to his preseason start. Again though, I'm referring to the sample size more than the situation. It's easier to hide a QB for 2 games than it is to hide him for 10+. As to Foles, average-at-best tends to be what I'm looking for in a backup. If he's better than that, he's a starter most of the time.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 EJ is really bad. I'm all for upgrading at the game's most important position. Plenty of cap room and it's not my money.
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 In most cases, you're correct about it being tougher to step in midseason. In this case, however, EJ got 1/3 of the 1st team reps throughout the offseason, and even got the full-time starters reps for a week leading up to his preseason start. Again though, I'm referring to the sample size more than the situation. It's easier to hide a QB for 2 games than it is to hide him for 10+. As to Foles, average-at-best tends to be what I'm looking for in a backup. If he's better than that, he's a starter most of the time. I respect your opinion on this. I don't see Foles as a big enough upgrade over EJ, especially with his experience in the offense. But we'll see. I also could see if they brought Foles in and he looks good in camp (he seems like a guy who would be good in preseason) that it would start a whole other qb debate.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Look, I've been in the camp which has said that cutting EJ makes no sense to cut because it gives them nothing. Well, it's a little, and that dead money does roll over. Foles may be a system QB, but where he thrived was with the deep pass down the sideline (like Tyrod), with McCoy opening up things on the ground (like Tyrod) but struggled over the middle (Tyrod is getting better, but not at the start). He is a better fit for the offense as it is now than EJ. I don't hate EJ. But EJ never had a run like Foles did. Edited July 28, 2016 by WhitewalkerInPhilly
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