10 Reasons Why Tyrod will have a great year

[Thrivefourfive]

I known Taylor can do it this year. I just known it!!

[White Linen]

Your right...you can do everthing correctly and Tyrod can still just convert the first down

 

but

 

If we want this offense to be where it NEEDS to be......we need for Tyrod to continue to work on areas that were not strengths last year.........

 

Of course - but I'll give credit where it's due. He wasn't just some running scared QB. He's a legit weapon that defenses will have problems with. I also know he did enough work over the middle that has me feeling he can. He played within the system and it didn't ask him to much - that's very typical for a rookie QB (I call him that). We are very fortunate to have him in terms of hope. I can't think of a better scenario than a rookie in terms of playing time with the combined benefit of NFL coaching/learning experience. This young man did some extraordinary things last year. We're a group of fans that have built a tolerance to disappointment and it's difficult to have any other feeling than to believe it when we see it. However because of that hardness we're also having trouble understanding what fantastic things he did to earn a little more belief from us than he gets.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Well, it already did, didn't it? It can't fall as far this year as it did last and I suppose that's something. All I have to suppose that it will rise to near 2014 levels is hope. Whether Taylor and the offense can carry the team is the biggest ??? for me. I anticipate that the defense will improve, but, not to where it was.

Taylor can't carry the team when his coach is unable to put the game on his back no matter how well the quarterback plays. Roman would love to run the ball all day and throw about 8 play action passes. One week he actually did get it down to 13 attempts. No run n shoot concepts no west coast concepts. It all goes through the running game. I don't see how we can expect the kid to blossom into greatness when it is never asked of him.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

When TT is at Brady's level let me know.

Let me know when ANY QB is that good.

 

BTW here's reason #11: Ballers says Tyrod's gonna be good.

 

Of course - but I'll give credit where it's due. He wasn't just some running scared QB. He's a legit weapon that defenses will have problems with. I also know he did enough work over the middle that has me feeling he can. He played within the system and it didn't ask him to much - that's very typical for a rookie QB (I call him that). We are very fortunate to have him in terms of hope. I can't think of a better scenario than a rookie in terms of playing time with the combined benefit of NFL coaching/learning experience. This young man did some extraordinary things last year. We're a group of fans that have built a tolerance to disappointment and it's difficult to have any other feeling than to believe it when we see it. However because of that hardness we're also having trouble understanding what fantastic things he did to earn a little more belief from us than he gets.

No truer words spoken.

[bladiebla]

Man Tyrod's agent is really at it heh.

[3rdand12]

He is going to have to show he can throw across the middle

Like Bills took away the middle from Fitz and crushed their tiny Whoville hearts team are going to want Tyrod to take short chipshots near the hash marks

You're assuming that what he did last season is his cap and he has nothing else he can do. You're also assuming that Roman won't come up with anything new.

 

Personally, as pessimistic as I generally am, I expect to see more from Taylor in 2016 than we did in 2015.

Very proud of you, taking this perspective Beer.

Taylor can't carry the team when his coach is unable to put the game on his back no matter how well the quarterback plays. Roman would love to run the ball all day and throw about 8 play action passes. One week he actually did get it down to 13 attempts. No run n shoot concepts no west coast concepts. It all goes through the running game. I don't see how we can expect the kid to blossom into greatness when it is never asked of him.

Roman has a lot of pockets full of plays we did not see last year.

Why stop running when it works so well though ?

Teams are going to need to shut that facet down. Richie was a mauler when he pulled and rarely could not move a man or two.

 

It is exciting to consider Tyrod and his upcoming season. IMHO

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Like Bills took away the middle from Fitz and crushed their tiny Whoville hearts team are going to want Tyrod to take short chipshots near the hash marks

 

Very proud of you, taking this perspective Beer.

 

Roman has a lot of pockets full of plays we did not see last year.

Why stop running when it works so well though ?

Teams are going to need to shut that facet down. Richie was a mauler when he pulled and rarely could not move a man or two.

 

It is exciting to consider Tyrod and his upcoming season. IMHO

You trade an elite running game for an elite passing game in today's league. I don't think the Bills are in a position to do that because their passing game is too limitd to develop a great quarterback. If all he's ever asked to do is run play action and some high low concepts that's all he'll be able to do. How do you learn to spread the field and dominate the game when the coach doesn't go there

 

Look at Sean Payton. He can win with power run and he can win a completely different way as well. His run game is plus and yet his passing game is every bit as versatile and effective. I can't say the same about our guy.

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You trade an elite running game for an elite passing game in today's league. I don't think the Bills are in a position to do that because their passing game is too limitd to develop a great quarterback. If all he's ever asked to do is run play action and some high low concepts that's all he'll be able to do. How do you learn to spread the field and dominate the game when the coach doesn't go there

 

Look at Sean Payton. He can win with power run and he can win a completely different way as well. His run game is plus and yet his passing game is every bit as versatile and effective. I can't say the same about our guy.

I get you. Very basic last season. Even the run game was. First year with new Coaches

 

Lal will get the passing game going. Its not either or for Buffalo.

Run to pass my friend. Long term plan. Watch teams focus on our run game and then how Bills O responds.

[John from Riverside]

You trade an elite running game for an elite passing game in today's league. I don't think the Bills are in a position to do that because their passing game is too limitd to develop a great quarterback. If all he's ever asked to do is run play action and some high low concepts that's all he'll be able to do. How do you learn to spread the field and dominate the game when the coach doesn't go there

 

Look at Sean Payton. He can win with power run and he can win a completely different way as well. His run game is plus and yet his passing game is every bit as versatile and effective. I can't say the same about our guy.

He was protecting a 1st year starter by limiting turnovers and playing to team strengths

 

It will be interesting to see if the offense evolves into more well rounded this upcoming year.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

I get you. Very basic last season. Even the run game was. First year with new Coaches

 

Lal will get the passing game going. Its not either or for Buffalo.

Run to pass my friend. Long term plan. Watch teams focus on our run game and then how Bills O responds.

 

But only being able to do it that one way, run to pass, limits the offense's upside. They can't become a truly elite offense, capable of carrying a mediocre defense to a championship, because of this limitation. A running team is always reliant on great defense and ball control, and Rex and Roman are together in part because they share that limited vision of an offense.

 

If we gave Mike McCarthy or Josh McDaniel or Bruce Arians Tyrod, Watkins, Clay and Woods would we still be forced to run-to-pass every single week regardless of opponent?

 

It means we're trying to grind out close wins every game when maybe we could simply dominate some teams (we do have a WR that no corner on earth can cover). It also means that if the defense fails, there's no recourse, we can't keep up and we lose. Why are we happy to limit ourselves like that?

 

I'm not 'anti running the ball' in the least, the ability to help a QB and to wear a defense down is incredibly valuable. But this offense could be better with a more versatile playbook and more aggressive mentality. Considering our personnel I don't think it unfair to ask for a balanced, versatile attack.

 

Maybe Roman has just been waiting his entire career to unleash his new take on the run n shoot? I won't hold my breath but there's always hope.

He was protecting a 1st year starter by limiting turnovers and playing to team strengths

 

It will be interesting to see if the offense evolves into more well rounded this upcoming year.

Very interesting. I hope you're right but somehow I don't see Rex and Roman as the evolutionary type.

[John from Riverside]

 

But only being able to do it that one way, run to pass, limits the offense's upside. They can't become a truly elite offense, capable of carrying a mediocre defense to a championship, because of this limitation. A running team is always reliant on great defense and ball control, and Rex and Roman are together in part because they share that limited vision of an offense.

 

If we gave Mike McCarthy or Josh McDaniel or Bruce Arians Tyrod, Watkins, Clay and Woods would we still be forced to run-to-pass every single week regardless of opponent?

 

It means we're trying to grind out close wins every game when maybe we could simply dominate some teams (we do have a WR that no corner on earth can cover). It also means that if the defense fails, there's no recourse, we can't keep up and we lose. Why are we happy to limit ourselves like that?

 

I'm not 'anti running the ball' in the least, the ability to help a QB and to wear a defense down is incredibly valuable. But this offense could be better with a more versatile playbook and more aggressive mentality. Considering our personnel I don't think it unfair to ask for a balanced, versatile attack.

 

Maybe Roman has just been waiting his entire career to unleash his new take on the run n shoot? I won't hold my breath but there's always hope.

Very interesting. I hope you're right but somehow I don't see Rex and Roman as the evolutionary type.

Rex is not running the offense

 

As far as Roman.....I think he overall resume is pretty darn impressive......several playoff runs as the OC for the niners.

[3rdand12]

Aaron,

I truly think Tyrod needs to develop much more and add to his arsenal.

We know about the hurry up. (lack of) some of his vision issues. His holding the ball. and for me trusting his WRs. he must improve those.

But i do not feel he needs to be elite. He doesn't need to become a prolific passer either.

 

But we do agree for sure, he will need to finish a game, win a game. take over a game on occasion , with his arm.

i think he will do that. Albeit with more errors and maybe some comp% dropping.

But i have to stick with my guns and the run game. I think the time is now to turn the tide. It wears defenses down when you can dictate the play and Bills did do just that.

Build off of that run game from last year, get some guys who can catch healthier ( Clay McCoy Watkins Woods ) and it will come together as a complete game

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Rex is not running the offense

 

As far as Roman.....I think he overall resume is pretty darn impressive......several playoff runs as the OC for the niners.

Do you not allow even a possibility that Rex and Roman share a run-first philosophy? One is the most accomplished run game coordinator in football, the other is the coach who made 'ground and pound' famous. When talking on the macro level about the overall philosophy of the offense, I think it's disingenuous to completely separate Rex from Roman. By all appearances they are 100% on the same page.

 

Roman's resume by the numbers:

 

2011: 26th in yards, 11th in points

2012: 11th in yards, 11th in points

2013: 24th in yards, 11th in points

2014: 20th in yards, 25th in points

 

Of course the most important statistic is WINS and SF enjoyed plenty of those, but his resume does nothing to dispel the notion that he's reliant on great defense and that there are better, more balanced offensive coaches out there. He's no Nate Hackett though to be sure.

Aaron,

I truly think Tyrod needs to develop much more and add to his arsenal.

We know about the hurry up. (lack of) some of his vision issues. His holding the ball. and for me trusting his WRs. he must improve those.

But i do not feel he needs to be elite. He doesn't need to become a prolific passer either.

 

But we do agree for sure, he will need to finish a game, win a game. take over a game on occasion , with his arm.

i think he will do that. Albeit with more errors and maybe some comp% dropping.

But i have to stick with my guns and the run game. I think the time is now to turn the tide. It wears defenses down when you can dictate the play and Bills did do just that.

Build off of that run game from last year, get some guys who can catch healthier ( Clay McCoy Watkins Woods ) and it will come together as a complete game

Though it would be a shame to pass on elite QB play if that opportunity were in front of us, no?

 

His shortcomings you speak of, I don't see how Roman can be completely separated from that either.

 

Aaron Rodgers came out of one of the simplest passing games imaginable in college and went into a cocoon in Green Bay's 'quarterback university'. After 4 years a future-Hall-of-Fame butterfly emerged, capable of spreading the field and dominating week in and week out.

 

If Aaron Rodgers were playing for the Bills he wouldn't know how to spread the field and dominate a game, he'd know how to act as an accessory to a great run game.

[John from Riverside]

Do you not allow even a possibility that Rex and Roman share a run-first philosophy? One is the most accomplished run game coordinator in football, the other is the coach who made 'ground and pound' famous. When talking on the macro level about the overall philosophy of the offense, I think it's disingenuous to completely separate Rex from Roman. By all appearances they are 100% on the same page.

 

Roman's resume by the numbers:

 

2011: 26th in yards, 11th in points

2012: 11th in yards, 11th in points

2013: 24th in yards, 11th in points

2014: 20th in yards, 25th in points

 

Of course the most important statistic is WINS and SF enjoyed plenty of those, but his resume does nothing to dispel the notion that he's reliant on great defense and that there are better, more balanced offensive coaches out there. He's no Nate Hackett though to be sure.

And the problem of this being?

 

Im sorry to be so simplistic on this but

 

YES......Roman and Rex share the same philosophy

YES......If you have the D this O does work......it has been shown time and time again

NO.....it does not mean that we cant pass the ball.....but we do have talent at those areas

 

And....of course always it will come down to the talent we have at QB making the proper decisions.....you either think Tyrod either has that or will grow into that.....or you dont.

[3rdand12]

Do you not allow even a possibility that Rex and Roman share a run-first philosophy? One is the most accomplished run game coordinator in football, the other is the coach who made 'ground and pound' famous. When talking on the macro level about the overall philosophy of the offense, I think it's disingenuous to completely separate Rex from Roman. By all appearances they are 100% on the same page.

 

Roman's resume by the numbers:

 

2011: 26th in yards, 11th in points

2012: 11th in yards, 11th in points

2013: 24th in yards, 11th in points

2014: 20th in yards, 25th in points

 

Of course the most important statistic is WINS and SF enjoyed plenty of those, but his resume does nothing to dispel the notion that he's reliant on great defense and that there are better, more balanced offensive coaches out there. He's no Nate Hackett though to be sure.

Though it would be a shame to pass on elite QB play if that opportunity were in front of us, no?

 

His shortcomings you speak of, I don't see how Roman can be completely separated from that either.

 

Aaron Rodgers came out of one of the simplest passing games imaginable in college and went into a cocoon in Green Bay's 'quarterback university'. After 4 years a future-Hall-of-Fame butterfly emerged, capable of spreading the field and dominating week in and week out.

 

If Aaron Rodgers were playing for the Bills he wouldn't know how to spread the field and dominate a game, he'd know how to act as an accessory to a great run game.

I can imagine Rex and Roman are on the same page about Offensive philosophy. good point Aaron.

When i spoke of G-Ro i dont think he will 180. He is very good at what he does and Rex is going to let him do just that. Lets hope that Tyrod can step his game up enough and add enough to keep #defenseshonest

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

And the problem of this being?

 

Im sorry to be so simplistic on this but

 

YES......Roman and Rex share the same philosophy

YES......If you have the D this O does work......it has been shown time and time again

NO.....it does not mean that we cant pass the ball.....but we do have talent at those areas

 

And....of course always it will come down to the talent we have at QB making the proper decisions.....you either think Tyrod either has that or will grow into that.....or you dont.

I do think Tyrod has that but don't expect to see his full potential under this coaching staff. They don't allow him to push, and expand, his boundaries.

[3rdand12]

And the problem of this being?

 

Im sorry to be so simplistic on this but

 

YES......Roman and Rex share the same philosophy

YES......If you have the D this O does work......it has been shown time and time again

NO.....it does not mean that we cant pass the ball.....but we do have talent at those areas

 

And....of course always it will come down to the talent we have at QB making the proper decisions.....you either think Tyrod either has that or will grow into that.....or you dont.

John , leave some room for just hoping. It is not black and white for folks like me. I really am not sure.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

I can imagine Rex and Roman are on the same page about Offensive philosophy. good point Aaron.

When i spoke of G-Ro i dont think he will 180. He is very good at what he does and Rex is going to let him do just that. Lets hope that Tyrod can step his game up enough and add enough to keep #defenseshonest

I hope it works man. I just want to win! As we all do. It just seems like the offense is more limited with these coaches than is necessary with these players. But the future doesn't exist, we will see what unfolds.

 

Great advice I saw you give to someone the other day, E, about meditation. That Gautama was on to something. Powerful stuff right there.

[3rdand12]

Do you not allow even a possibility that Rex and Roman share a run-first philosophy? One is the most accomplished run game coordinator in football, the other is the coach who made 'ground and pound' famous. When talking on the macro level about the overall philosophy of the offense, I think it's disingenuous to completely separate Rex from Roman. By all appearances they are 100% on the same page.

 

Roman's resume by the numbers:

 

2011: 26th in yards, 11th in points

2012: 11th in yards, 11th in points

2013: 24th in yards, 11th in points

2014: 20th in yards, 25th in points

 

Of course the most important statistic is WINS and SF enjoyed plenty of those, but his resume does nothing to dispel the notion that he's reliant on great defense and that there are better, more balanced offensive coaches out there. He's no Nate Hackett though to be sure.

Though it would be a shame to pass on elite QB play if that opportunity were in front of us, no?

 

His shortcomings you speak of, I don't see how Roman can be completely separated from that either.

 

Aaron Rodgers came out of one of the simplest passing games imaginable in college and went into a cocoon in Green Bay's 'quarterback university'. After 4 years a future-Hall-of-Fame butterfly emerged, capable of spreading the field and dominating week in and week out.

 

If Aaron Rodgers were playing for the Bills he wouldn't know how to spread the field and dominate a game, he'd know how to act as an accessory to a great run game.

Interesting take. I know nothing off Aaron Rodgers really, much less his college play.

 

and yes TT and Roman are attached at the hip when defining last year. Who limited whom ?

 

I want a butterfly as much as you do.

 

But i love the run game

I hope it works man. I just want to win! As we all do. It just seems like the offense is more limited with these coaches than is necessary with these players. But the future doesn't exist, we will see what unfolds.

 

Great advice I saw you give to someone the other day, E, about meditation. That Gautama was on to something. Powerful stuff right there.

I see potential aplenty.

nice state of mind

[BmarvB]

The only question mark I see here is #7. If that one proves correct, TT is in the Pro Bowl again and the Bills should make the playoffs. The rest look good.