Is John Kerry on Something...?

[Keukasmallies]

On the one-year anniversary of the debacle that is the pact with Iran, the current SoS advises the world that it is a safer place.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kerry-says-iran-deal-has-made-world-a-safer-place-one-year-later/2016/07/14/a954071c-484f-11e6-8dac-0c6e4accc5b1_story.html

 

Chances are he didn't make this announcement in Paris, Brussels, Orlando, nor San Bernadino, nor [fill in the blank]. Oops, he was in Paris when he made the announcement; maybe he forgot the terrorist "dust up" that city suffered. Is there no limit to the extent these bozos will go to try to wring something positive from the bad deals they've accepted in the past eight years?

 

Sail On, Oh Ship of State.

[Observer]

On the one-year anniversary of the debacle that is the pact with Iran, the current SoS advises the world that it is a safer place.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kerry-says-iran-deal-has-made-world-a-safer-place-one-year-later/2016/07/14/a954071c-484f-11e6-8dac-0c6e4accc5b1_story.html

 

Chances are he didn't make this announcement in Paris, Brussels, Orlando, nor San Bernadino, nor [fill in the blank]. Oops, he was in Paris when he made the announcement; maybe he forgot the terrorist "dust up" that city suffered. Is there no limit to the extent these bozos will go to try to wring something positive from the bad deals they've accepted in the past eight years?

 

Sail On, Oh Ship of State.

 

Why are you promoting a relationship between Iran and the Orlando shooter?

 

And the world is safer today than at nearly any time in human history, histrionics about mass shootings, BLM, and terrorism notwithstanding.

 

Our species-narcissism forces us to always think we're in the worst time but not many humans in our past would trade backwards, and if they did, I'll have what they're smoking.

[Nanker]

[Keukasmallies]

 

Why are you promoting a relationship between Iran and the Orlando shooter?

 

And the world is safer today than at nearly any time in human history, histrionics about mass shootings, BLM, and terrorism notwithstanding.

 

Our species-narcissism forces us to always think we're in the worst time but not many humans in our past would trade backwards, and if they did, I'll have what they're smoking.

 

However, there seem to be quite a few humans in the present US of A who would trade backwards about nine years, eh? Would those close to the mass shootings, BLM fallout, and terrorism see those occurances as theatrical and/or histrionic?

Edited July 14, 2016 by Keukasmallies

[Chef Jim]

 

Why are you promoting a relationship between Iran and the Orlando shooter?

 

And the world is safer today than at nearly any time in human history, histrionics about mass shootings, BLM, and terrorism notwithstanding.

 

Our species-narcissism forces us to always think we're in the worst time but not many humans in our past would trade backwards, and if they did, I'll have what they're smoking.

 

Explain why you feel the world is a safer place.

[Observer]

 

Explain why you feel the world is a safer place.

 

World largely at peace, a prolonged peace. Food/famine violence less than ever. Race/religion issues while headline dominant in the moment not causing widespread safety issues. Violent crime on the decline.

 

Some people (old ones) claim the 50s, 60s were better. Ask young draftees or minorities if they agree? Ask the kids coming home in body bags. And the children in bomb shelter drills. The media was Mayberry. The reality was not.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Observer

[Deranged Rhino]

World largely at peace, a prolonged peace.

Syria, Yemen, Nigeria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine... That's not even factoring in sectarian violence in Turkey, the Sudan, government wars against the cartels in South America...

 

(Typing while on the run and hit submit too soon:) There's also massive hacks going on between the East and West, NATO and Moscow building up tensions and arms on the continent, growing civil unrest throughout the western world as people are rejecting totalitarianism...

 

Everything is peaceful. Everything is fine. Nothing to see here.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Deranged Rhino

[DC Tom]

Syria, Yemen, Nigeria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine... That's not even factoring in sectarian violence in Turkey, the Sudan, government wars against the cartels in South America...

 

(Typing while on the run and hit submit too soon:) There's also massive hacks going on between the East and West, NATO and Moscow building up tensions and arms on the continent, growing civil unrest throughout the western world as people are rejecting totalitarianism...

 

Everything is peaceful. Everything is fine. Nothing to see here.

 

Sectarian violence in Turkey? Not that I'm disagreeing...but it's been going on for decades, if not centuries.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Sectarian violence in Turkey? Not that I'm disagreeing...but it's been going on for decades, if not centuries.

 

Absolutely has.

 

Just pointing out that the world has multiple active and ongoing conflicts despite Observer's claim that's we're in the midst of a prolonged world peace. There were well over 100k deaths in 2015 from just Nigeria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria alone. There have already been over 2k deaths in Turkey just this year.

 

And those numbers don't come close to encapsulating the rising tensions between major powers that we've been seeing the past several years. Japan and China are sparring, China and the US have been going at one another for at least three years if not more on the cyber front, Russia and the west have been playing a tit for tat game across Eastern Europe.

[DC Tom]

 

Absolutely has.

 

Just pointing out that the world has multiple active and ongoing conflicts despite Observer's claim that's we're in the midst of a prolonged world peace. There were well over 100k deaths in 2015 from just Nigeria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria alone. There have already been over 2k deaths in Turkey just this year.

 

And those numbers don't come close to encapsulating the rising tensions between major powers that we've been seeing the past several years. Japan and China are sparring, China and the US have been going at one another for at least three years if not more on the cyber front, Russia and the west have been playing a tit for tat game across Eastern Europe.

 

The world always has multiple active and ongoing conflicts. "Pax Americana" is an obvious joke, considering it refers to a prevalence of proxy wars. During "Pax Britannica," there were only three years when Britain wasn't fighting a war (never mind everyone else.)

 

The previous great "peaceful" era would have been "Pax Mongolica" - that was probably the most peaceful era of the last three millennia, even more so than now. Greater Eurasia was very peaceful after the Mongols killed everybody. That right there shows you how utterly ludicrous any declaration of "prolonged peace" is.

[Dante]

 

World largely at peace, a prolonged peace. Food/famine violence less than ever. Race/religion issues while headline dominant in the moment not causing widespread safety issues. Violent crime on the decline.

 

Some people (old ones) claim the 50s, 60s were better. Ask young draftees or minorities if they agree? Ask the kids coming home in body bags. And the children in bomb shelter drills. The media was Mayberry. The reality was not.

I wonder how minorities would feel if they knew 40 or 50 million black babies were going to be aborted in the near future? Yeah, things sucked back then.

[Observer]

I wonder how minorities would feel if they knew 40 or 50 million black babies were going to be aborted in the near future? Yeah, things sucked back then.

 

Abortion in a doctor's office vs abortion in a back alley? They'd probably take the former.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

The world always has multiple active and ongoing conflicts. "Pax Americana" is an obvious joke, considering it refers to a prevalence of proxy wars. During "Pax Britannica," there were only three years when Britain wasn't fighting a war (never mind everyone else.)

 

The previous great "peaceful" era would have been "Pax Mongolica" - that was probably the most peaceful era of the last three millennia, even more so than now. Greater Eurasia was very peaceful after the Mongols killed everybody. That right there shows you how utterly ludicrous any declaration of "prolonged peace" is.

 

They need to resurrect Kublai. I'd be interested to see how he dealt with today's world.

[Observer]

Syria, Yemen, Nigeria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine... That's not even factoring in sectarian violence in Turkey, the Sudan, government wars against the cartels in South America...

 

(Typing while on the run and hit submit too soon:) There's also massive hacks going on between the East and West, NATO and Moscow building up tensions and arms on the continent, growing civil unrest throughout the western world as people are rejecting totalitarianism...

 

Everything is peaceful. Everything is fine. Nothing to see here.

 

There is ALWAYS some conflict. That this is a down time for wars is inarguable.

 

One of the gifts each generation gives the next, and it's accelerating, is the gift of prosperity. 300 years ago, extremely few people could imagine giving a domicile to a succeeding generation. Now, even in some of the poorest countries this is happening. And we're also giving roads, railroads, boats, airplanes, knowledge, liquid wealth, medicine...and so much more to each succeeding generation. Any of these things was unthinkable even in your grandfather's time. My grandfather lived the first 3 quarters of the 20th century. Worked hard, had a nice blue collar job. He passed on a home, some hand tools, and a dining room set to his children. His grandfather passed on a pocket watch to his entire child set. I will pass on who knows what to my kids, but something more. Where we are has never been better, especially anyone who can post on this board.

 

But the sky is falling. And get the hell offa my lawn.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

There is ALWAYS some conflict. That this is a down time for wars is inarguable.

 

The facts and reality make this statement quite arguable. Which is the point. We've currently been at war longer than any other point in our nation's history. Let that soak in before you do your victory lap.

 

The scope of war has changed, as well as the ability to keep conflicts somewhat contained to specific regions. But it's folly to say it's a "down time for war". It's not. War is a booming business.

 

 

 

One of the gifts each generation gives the next, and it's accelerating, is the gift of prosperity. 300 years ago, extremely few people could imagine giving a domicile to a succeeding generation. Now, even in some of the poorest countries this is happening. And we're also giving roads, railroads, boats, airplanes, knowledge, liquid wealth, medicine...and so much more to each succeeding generation. Any of these things was unthinkable even in your grandfather's time. My grandfather lived the first 3 quarters of the 20th century. Worked hard, had a nice blue collar job. He passed on a home, some hand tools, and a dining room set to his children. His grandfather passed on a pocket watch to his entire child set. I will pass on who knows what to my kids, but something more. Where we are has never been better, especially anyone who can post on this board.

 

And yet despite this we're living in a world with the greatest wealth disparity in modern times. Employment for men and women under the age of 35 is cratering all over Europe which is grappling with austerity and an imploding financial system. There's a sense, for the first time in generations, that the world being given to the young will be considerably worse than the ones given to their parents. Totalitarianism is on the rise, masquerading as Globalism.

 

Again, the actual realities do not match the sunshine and rainbow picture you're painting.

 

But the sky is falling. And get the hell offa my lawn.

 

You have me all wrong.

[Observer]

 

The facts and reality make this statement quite arguable. Which is the point. We've currently been at war longer than any other point in our nation's history. Let that soak in before you do your victory lap.

 

The scope of war has changed, as well as the ability to keep conflicts somewhat contained to specific regions. But it's folly to say it's a "down time for war". It's not. War is a booming business.

 

 

And yet despite this we're living in a world with the greatest wealth disparity in modern times. Employment for men and women under the age of 35 is cratering all over Europe which is grappling with austerity and an imploding financial system. There's a sense, for the first time in generations, that the world being given to the young will be considerably worse than the ones given to their parents. Totalitarianism is on the rise, masquerading as Globalism.

 

Again, the actual realities do not match the sunshine and rainbow picture you're painting.

 

 

You have me all wrong.

 

The US hasn't been at war since WWII. See expansion of executive authority chapter 1, verse 1.

 

The last major conflict the US was in was Vietnam. Iraq, Iraq II, Afghanistan, WoT have been drops in the bucket compared to Vietnam, Korea, and the WWs. Those generations would be happy to be in your "longest war."

 

Anyone whining about rich people isn't doing what's necessary to one of said rich people: Dream big, get smart, work hard.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

The US hasn't been at war since WWII. See expansion of executive authority chapter 1, verse 1.

 

 

This is why your argument is weak. You're obscuring reality with technicalities.

 

If we haven't been at war since WWII, what did 4,000+ service men and women die for since 2003? Not to mention well over 3 trillion dollars at a time when our country could least afford that kind of spending?

Anyone whining about rich people isn't doing what's necessary to one of said rich people: Dream big, get smart, work hard.

 

Easier to say than to do when the system is rigged.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Deranged Rhino

[DC Tom]

 

If we haven't been at war since WWII, what did 4,000+ service men and women die for since 2003? Not to mention well over 3 trillion dollars at a time when our country could least afford that kind of spending?

 

That wasn't war. That was occupation.

[4merper4mer]

 

Why are you promoting a relationship between Iran and the Orlando shooter?

 

And the world is safer today than at nearly any time in human history, histrionics about mass shootings, BLM, and terrorism notwithstanding.

 

Our species-narcissism forces us to always think we're in the worst time but not many humans in our past would trade backwards, and if they did, I'll have what they're smoking.

 

 

I love how commies who think they know everything cite species-narcissism even when they are arguing against a false premise.

 

Kerry didn't compare the world's safety against "any other time in human history", he compared it to the time before the Iran nuclear deal.....in other words last year. Your argument makes no sense. You could have tried to argue that the world is safer than it would be without an agreement, but you didn't do that.

 

And the OP did not promote a relationship between Iran and Orlando, he used Orlando as an example of how the world might just be less safe than it was a year ago.

 

But don't let these things stop you from talking down to people. It won't change the fact that your commie buddy Kerry is still a doormat and Iran continues to give the world the middle finger wrt living up to its agreement.

[Deranged Rhino]

30+ dead in Nice.

 

The world is at peace...