Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) Unlike most posters, I don't believe that his low INT total was necessarily a good thing...if he is only throwing the ball when the receiver is wide open then he isn't going to have many INTs. What he will have is a lot of plays where things were available that never happened because he didn't take a chance on making the throw. This isn't to say I'm unhappy...I think he exceeded everyone's expectations and has the chance to really grow. I'm just pointing out that statistics can always lie or tell only half the story. Without context, statistics are almost meaningless in a lot of cases. IMO TDs and INts alone are pointless to talk about. Its all about TD:INT ratio. Tyrod had a 4:1 TD:INT ratio. He is in a group of 3 that includes Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. Let's think about that for a second. Edited July 13, 2016 by TheTruthHurts
ganesh Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 IMO TDs and INts alone are pointless to talk about. Its all about TD:INT ratio. Tyrod had a 4:1 TD:INT ratio. He is in a group of 3 that includes Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. Let's think about that for a second. Our team needed a game manager (and it hoped the Defense would keep its end of the bargain) and that is what Tyrod was. I think we will see him take more chances this year considering that he will have a full TC to himself.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 Our team needed a game manager (and it hoped the Defense would keep its end of the bargain) and that is what Tyrod was. I think we will see him take more chances this year considering that he will have a full TC to himself. He gave us more than we hoped for. Had the Bills defense been what we expected Tyrod would have taken us very far last season. We could have been Seattle.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 This makes sense to me. In man Taylor could see who was covering who and also see safeties. Zone he has to check areas as well as the receiver. Taylor will have to learn how to have his brain processing the info his eyes are giving him at a faster pace . This will be part of his development this season. If he can do this I think we will all like the results.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) Our team needed a game manager (and it hoped the Defense would keep its end of the bargain) and that is what Tyrod was. I think we will see him take more chances this year considering that he will have a full TC to himself.i don't see Tyrod as a game manager. I believe he is either going to be a big gamer/playmaker or go down in flames. Based on impressions and limited interviews, I don't think just executing the script and letting the chips fall is his thing. Edited July 13, 2016 by over 20 years of fanhood
Cover 1 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Posted July 13, 2016 Thanks for the informative breakdowns TurnerE Ur welcome my friend!
John from Riverside Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 i don't see Tyrod as a game manager. I believe he is either going to be a big gamer/playmaker or go down in flames. Based on impressions and limited interviews, I don't think just executing the script and letting the chips fall is his thing. A game manager does not make the plays that Tyrod makes on his own.....a game manager is a cog in a wheel that allows other playmakers to make the plays.... TT is definately not a game manager just because he doesnt turn the ball over
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 See I totally disagree. I believe throwing deep is less likely to be completed and int chances are less likely. But that's just me. Things aren't as congested, more bodies, based on timing, much quicker shorter/med areas. Well said. 1) I love deep passes. The worst thing that can happen is a long int that acts like a punt. It's a shame most NFL coaches are gutless. 2) this is why I think Tyrod could be a much better qb with worse stats. I want to see more of the big boy throws like threading a pass in between 2 defenders from 20 yards out in the red zone. A game manager does not make the plays that Tyrod makes on his own.....a game manager is a cog in a wheel that allows other playmakers to make the plays.... TT is definately not a game manager just because he doesnt turn the ball over He certainly makes big plays. But the end result was a game manager type qb. He was essentially Alex Smith. Smith makes big plays but his main quality was not hurting his team. That's what Taylor did. We ran a very, very conservative offense.
3rdand12 Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Well said. 1) I love deep passes. The worst thing that can happen is a long int that acts like a punt. It's a shame most NFL coaches are gutless. 2) this is why I think Tyrod could be a much better qb with worse stats. I want to see more of the big boy throws like threading a pass in between 2 defenders from 20 yards out in the red zone. He certainly makes big plays. But the end result was a game manager type qb. He was essentially Alex Smith. Smith makes big plays but his main quality was not hurting his team. That's what Taylor did. We ran a very, very conservative offense. I agree on both responses. He was asked to manage the game. He did as asked while adding his bit of pizazz. and the deep ball? Hell yes. You hit one beyond a safety and defenses get antsy. Hit two and they piss themselves and change the game plan
Cover 1 Posted July 14, 2016 Author Posted July 14, 2016 I agree on both responses. He was asked to manage the game. He did as asked while adding his bit of pizazz. and the deep ball? Hell yes. You hit one beyond a safety and defenses get antsy. Hit two and they piss themselves and change the game plan Vertical game paired with the top run game is very difficult to defend. If the D takes a guy out of the box we can outnumber and outflank w run. If extra man in the box, single high safety then we have the speed and matchups to go vertical. Its been a staple of Romans offense.
Luxy312 Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 IMO TDs and INts alone are pointless to talk about. Its all about TD:INT ratio. Tyrod had a 4:1 TD:INT ratio. He is in a group of 3 that includes Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. Let's think about that for a second. I think you're partially correct here, but are missing a big component of what has become a lot more prevalent today, and that's the running aspect of a quarterback's game. If you factor in rushing TD's and fumbles lost, I think that complete picture is what counts the most. If you do that, he's still in rare company with the likes of Wilson and Newton. Although all 3 are not at 4:1 like Brady is. Still, 3.2-3.4 is pretty damned good.
hondo in seattle Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Unlike most posters, I don't believe that his low INT total was necessarily a good thing...if he is only throwing the ball when the receiver is wide open then he isn't going to have many INTs. What he will have is a lot of plays where things were available that never happened because he didn't take a chance on making the throw. This isn't to say I'm unhappy...I think he exceeded everyone's expectations and has the chance to really grow. I'm just pointing out that statistics can always lie or tell only half the story. Without context, statistics are almost meaningless in a lot of cases. I agree. I'd be more impressed with TT's six picks if he had thrown for 4,000 yards or more. Tyrod only threw 27 times per game. Brady, in contrast, threw 39 times per game. It's easy to be safe with the ball when you're chucking it 44% less often than your rivals. And it's easy to be safe with the ball when you're playing for the #1 rushing team and not being asked to win games with your arm. I was super impressed with Taylor in his first year as a starter. But this year I want to see him demonstrate the ability to attack defenses - and win games - with his arm. Edited July 14, 2016 by hondo in seattle
Cover 1 Posted July 14, 2016 Author Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) I agree. I'd be more impressed with TT's six picks if he had thrown for 4,000 yards or more. Tyrod only threw 27 times per game. Brady, in contrast, threw 39 times per game. It's easy to be safe with the ball when you're chucking it 44% less often than your rivals. And it's easy to be safe with the ball when you're playing for the #1 rushing team and not being asked to win games with your arm. I was super impressed with Taylor in his first year as a starter. But this year I want to see him demonstrate the ability to attack defenses - and win games - with his arm. It is not easy to be safe with the ball period at the NFL level. There werent many games that TT, a first year starter really COST us games. Conservative was the gameplan, it starts at the top and works its way down to TT. Could he have won more? Yes, he had opportunities at the end of games but for the most part he didnt cost us and for a first year starter that is ALL u can ask. Edited July 14, 2016 by TurnerE
hondo in seattle Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 It is not easy to be safe with the ball period at the NFL level. There werent many games that TT, a first year starter really COST us games. Conservative was the gameplan, it starts at the top and works its way down to TT. Could he have won more? Yes, he had opportunities at the end of games but for the most part he didnt cost us and for a first year starter that is ALL u can ask. "Easy" is a relative term. And it's easier to be safe with the ball when you're not asked to win games, only not to lose them. Clearly last year the Bills relied on their rushing attack and didn't throw a lot. But in the end, I agree with you Erik. Taylor was very good at what he was asked to do as his stats demonstrate: high completion percentage, few picks, great TD:INT ratio. You have to wonder, though, can he do more this year if needed? If we find ourselves in a game where we're unable to run the ball, will we be able to rely on TT to move the ball and put points up throwing on almost every down?
Luxy312 Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 "Easy" is a relative term. And it's easier to be safe with the ball when you're not asked to win games, only not to lose them. Clearly last year the Bills relied on their rushing attack and didn't throw a lot. But in the end, I agree with you Erik. Taylor was very good at what he was asked to do as his stats demonstrate: high completion percentage, few picks, great TD:INT ratio. You have to wonder, though, can he do more this year if needed? If we find ourselves in a game where we're unable to run the ball, will we be able to rely on TT to move the ball and put points up throwing on almost every down? This is the question of the day. I look at 4 games last year where the Bills were within one score from tying or taking the lead, where they ended up losing the game. New England in Buffalo - Down a score with 1:15 left in Q4, Taylor throws an interception. @ New England - Down a score with 1:51 left in Q4, Taylor moves the team down the field but runs out of time. @ Kansas City - Down a score with 3:25 left in Q4, and on the last play Taylor fumbles and recovers but turns it over on downs. @ Philadelphia - Down a score with 1:49 left in Q4, Taylor throws an interception. He did engineer a 4th quarter comeback and game winning drive @ Tennessee as well as in a game at home versus Houston, but I would like to see more of the latter than the former.
Cover 1 Posted July 14, 2016 Author Posted July 14, 2016 This is the question of the day. I look at 4 games last year where the Bills were within one score from tying or taking the lead, where they ended up losing the game. New England in Buffalo - Down a score with 1:15 left in Q4, Taylor throws an interception. @ New England - Down a score with 1:51 left in Q4, Taylor moves the team down the field but runs out of time. @ Kansas City - Down a score with 3:25 left in Q4, and on the last play Taylor fumbles and recovers but turns it over on downs. @ Philadelphia - Down a score with 1:49 left in Q4, Taylor throws an interception. He did engineer a 4th quarter comeback and game winning drive @ Tennessee as well as in a game at home versus Houston, but I would like to see more of the latter than the former. No doubt he has to do more, Roman needs to open it up a little more, someone besides Sammy needs to get open and TT needs to anticipate a hell of a lot better this year.
Luxy312 Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 No doubt he has to do more, Roman needs to open it up a little more, someone besides Sammy needs to get open and TT needs to anticipate a hell of a lot better this year. It is beyond simple in my perspective. We need to see much greater use of intermediate passing routes, which I didn't see very much of at all last season.
Cover 1 Posted July 14, 2016 Author Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) It is beyond simple in my perspective. We need to see much greater use of intermediate passing routes, which I didn't see very much of at all last season. If it were only that simple. But do u understand why the middle of the field was not utilized? Most of the year teams played Cover 3-to have the extra defender to stop the run. That closes the middle down. Once we had injuries to the RBs and we were hot throwing it deep then we saw more cover 2/2man which takes that defender out of the box which opened up the middle more..We just have to be more opportunistic and Roman has to call more plays over the middle and TT has to anticipate. Edited July 14, 2016 by TurnerE
John from Riverside Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 This is the question of the day. I look at 4 games last year where the Bills were within one score from tying or taking the lead, where they ended up losing the game. New England in Buffalo - Down a score with 1:15 left in Q4, Taylor throws an interception. @ New England - Down a score with 1:51 left in Q4, Taylor moves the team down the field but runs out of time. @ Kansas City - Down a score with 3:25 left in Q4, and on the last play Taylor fumbles and recovers but turns it over on downs. @ Philadelphia - Down a score with 1:49 left in Q4, Taylor throws an interception. He did engineer a 4th quarter comeback and game winning drive @ Tennessee as well as in a game at home versus Houston, but I would like to see more of the latter than the former. a defense that held opponents down and created turnovers would certainly help in this effort. I knot that is a little off topic....but.....
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