Kirby Jackson Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 their antics have nothing in common, Rex says stupid stuff that only he actually believes. Jim does weird things to get recruits and to play mind games with the opposition. Jim is evil genius and Rex is court jester. and he has already proven you wrong you just don't want to believe it. How so? He's taken a perennial power that's been down and gotten them to 10-3. He hasn't beaten Sparty or the Bucks yet. You can't never beat your two biggest rivals and be considered an evil genius. You're just "pretty good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 their antics have nothing in common, Rex says stupid stuff that only he actually believes. Jim does weird things to get recruits and to play mind games with the opposition. Jim is evil genius and Rex is court jester. and he has already proven you wrong you just don't want to believe it. the scoreboard apparently doesn't believe it either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 EJ is still the best QB on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 How so? He's taken a perennial power that's been down and gotten them to 10-3. He hasn't beaten Sparty or the Bucks yet. You can't never beat your two biggest rivals and be considered an evil genius. You're just "pretty good." You cant't call one opportunity "never" either. The OSU team had 12 NFL players starting. In the MSU loss, they were beating them the entire game. "Sparty" was handed a miracle win on a time expired fumbled snap return for a TD. These OSU fansters would have been calling for the firing of Urban Myers by now were it not for the playoff format that lets in 4th place teams at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 You cant't call one opportunity "never" either. The OSU team had 12 NFL players starting. In the MSU loss, they were beating them the entire game. "Sparty" was handed a miracle win on a time expired fumbled snap return for a TD. These OSU fansters would have been calling for the firing of Urban Myers by now were it not for the playoff format that lets in 4th place teams at the end of the season. 1st it's "Meyer" not "Meyers." 2nd until this point in his career he has had a lot of chances to get his teams over the top and has failed in just about every opportunity. What's his signature win as a coach? The Orange Bowl vs. VA Tech? Maybe the NFC Championship vs. Seattle? The upset vs. USC? None of the games were on the biggest stage though. He's a good coach but has yet to win anything. Saban and Meyer have 8 National Championships between them. He acts, and the media acts, as if he's in their league. He has 1 BCS win. That is as many as Bill Stewart and Dana Holgerson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 You cant't call one opportunity "never" either. The OSU team had 12 NFL players starting. In the MSU loss, they were beating them the entire game. "Sparty" was handed a miracle win on a time expired fumbled snap return for a TD. These OSU fansters would have been calling for the firing of Urban Myers by now were it not for the playoff format that lets in 4th place teams at the end of the season. I think the expectations were low enough in Ohio that he probably would have been very secure still. But the difference between Harbaugh and Urban Liar is that Harbaugh is exactly who he presents himself to be. Urban is an opportunist who carefully utilized the system to get the job he wanted..........first building a rep at a lily white college in Utah........then going straight gangsta recruiting a complete bunch of thugs at Florida and putting choir boys at QB to alter the appearance.........then feigning heart issues before the truth caught up with him and prevented him from getting that sheltered, easier-to-maintain Ohio State job he wanted all along. I gotta' hand it to him........he did it. He is good. But slimey...........wheeeeewww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) 1st it's "Meyer" not "Meyers." 2nd until this point in his career he has had a lot of chances to get his teams over the top and has failed in just about every opportunity. What's his signature win as a coach? The Orange Bowl vs. VA Tech? Maybe the NFC Championship vs. Seattle? The upset vs. USC? None of the games were on the biggest stage though. He's a good coach but has yet to win anything. Saban and Meyer have 8 National Championships between them. He acts, and the media acts, as if he's in their league. He has 1 BCS win. That is as many as Bill Stewart and Dana Holgerson. Meyer Schmeyer! Anyway, Harbaugh resurrected Stanford and brought them to number 4 final season ranking (like Meyer at OSU) and then he left for the NFL. He brought that 49ers, a moribund franchise, to 3 straight NFCC games (and a SB) in his first 3 seasons. He was gone a year later and took a demoralized Michigan franchise to a bowl game in his first year. He's done all of this--turnarounds of former greats--in only the past 9 years. Saban could never do that, nor could the weak hearted Urban Meyer. Edited June 25, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The Bills shouldn't have cut Fred Jackson last year. Yeah, I seddit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Meyer Schmeyer! Anyway, Harbaugh resurrected Stanford and brought them to number 4 final season ranking (like Meyer at OSU) and then he left for the NFL. He brought that 49ers, a moribund franchise, to 3 straight NFCC games (and a SB) in his first 3 seasons. He was gone a year later and took a demoralized Michigan franchise to a bowl game in his first year. He's done all of this--turnarounds of former greats--in only the past 9 years. Saban could never do that, nor could the weak hearted Urban Meyer. Not sure that I agree with that last part (at all). Meyer made BG relevant, took Utah to a BCS win, Florida to 2 National Championships and OSU to 1. Saban took a historically great program (like UM) and has won 4 more National Championships there to go with his 1 at LSU. Again, what's Harbaugh's biggest accomplishment? Winning the NFC with a loaded roster? That was Yolo's point initially. He is viewed as "elite" without any elite accomplishments. He's loud, brash and loves a microphone. That's the Rex Ryan comparison. He's as relevant as he is because of his personality not because of his accomplishments as a football coach. I know that you love to play devil's advocate and I appreciate that. In this particular conversation though Harbaugh has yet to accomplish what Meyer and Saban have. I'm not even just talking about National Championships. He has to win some big games to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Jim Harbaugh could not be less similar in every way to Rex Ryan.Agreed. Other than both being hotheads, one guy has been uber successful everywhere he has been and his players hate him and the other guy has been a middling coach and his players love him. They are both buffoons though, I'll give him that.EJ is still the best QB on the roster.This one is pretty much factually wrong. Who are you people? Edited June 25, 2016 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 What's his signature win as a coach? The Orange Bowl vs. VA Tech? Maybe the NFC Championship vs. Seattle? He didn't beat Seattle in an NFC Championship game did he? He lost to them in one... he beat Atlanta in the one he won. I can see both sides of this. Jim Harbaugh is a turnaround specialist and a very good one at that. He is not a proven big stage winner as a Head Coach and I have given my reasons before as to why I think that is. There is more substance to him than to Rex though. 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Rex Ryan is not a good Head Coach Hiring Rex as one of Pegs first major ownership decisions does not bode well for future decisions Rex Ryan will not be Head Coach in 2017 Tyrod Taylor will not be on the roster in 2017 EJ Manual will not be on the roster in 2017 Cardale Jones will still be the #3 QB in 2017 Taylor, Manual, and Jones will all start at least one game in 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Rex Ryan is not a good Head Coach Hiring Rex as one of Pegs first major ownership decisions does not bode well for future decisions Rex Ryan will not be Head Coach in 2017 Tyrod Taylor will not be on the roster in 2017 EJ Manual will not be on the roster in 2017 Cardale Jones will still be the #3 QB in 2017 Taylor, Manual, and Jones will all start at least one game in 2016 your first one doesn't belong in this thread - that's a popular opinion around here! Edited June 25, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 He didn't beat Seattle in an NFC Championship game did he? He lost to them in one... he beat Atlanta in the one he won. I can see both sides of this. Jim Harbaugh is a turnaround specialist and a very good one at that. He is not a proven big stage winner as a Head Coach and I have given my reasons before as to why I think that is. There is more substance to him than to Rex though. 100%. My fault, I thought that it was Seattle but that was the game where Sherman had a lot to say after. I mixed them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Some more unpopular opinions: 1) Bringing in Rob Ryan was a good hire. (Yes, I'm serious!) Regardless of how one might feel about the Ryan Brothers, if there is anything to the notion that Rex Ryan is a defensive genius (I mean, anything at all) then whatever will help Rex implement his defensive scheme is a positive. Including the support of his goofball brother. 2) Corey Graham, our leading tackler, being one of the few (possibly only?) players to actually take responsibility, and hold himself accountable for his play, has, as a result, become weirdly under-rated. 3) I'm still serious about Buffalo Wings. They were invented in Rochester. Edited June 25, 2016 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Cardale Jones is more ready than you think... If Tyrod craps the bed, Mr. Jones will have a case for a week 5 start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Doug Marrone is the best coach we've had in a decade and the Pegulas blew it when they tried to play hardball with him. I tend to agree with this Bills related - Only because I wanted them to make the playoffs over the Steelers, I was hoping the Jets would beat us in week 17 last year. Non-Bills related - I like the 2 week break between championship games and superbowl. Non-football related - Spam, the meat not the unwanted e-mails, is delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Non-football related - Spam, the meat not the unwanted e-mails, is delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 No one thought Jim Harbaugh was a nobody until he coached a OSU rival program and you went to OSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Not sure that I agree with that last part (at all). Meyer made BG relevant, took Utah to a BCS win, Florida to 2 National Championships and OSU to 1. Saban took a historically great program (like UM) and has won 4 more National Championships there to go with his 1 at LSU. Again, what's Harbaugh's biggest accomplishment? Winning the NFC with a loaded roster? That was Yolo's point initially. He is viewed as "elite" without any elite accomplishments. He's loud, brash and loves a microphone. That's the Rex Ryan comparison. He's as relevant as he is because of his personality not because of his accomplishments as a football coach. I know that you love to play devil's advocate and I appreciate that. In this particular conversation though Harbaugh has yet to accomplish what Meyer and Saban have. I'm not even just talking about National Championships. He has to win some big games to get there. This isn't the devils advocate speaking--I really don't understand how anyone can say this guy isn't an elite coach. Or maybe I don't know what you and others mean by elite. Is it only championships? Like Gene Chizik? Larry Coker? Mack Brown? Is Les Miles, who by all accounts staved off his own execution by his employer in November still an elite coach? Saban and Meyer are great college coaches who play from stacked decks. Saban failed in the NFL, Meyer was smart enough to know it would chew him up and spit him out. Harbaugh didn't blink at his last 3 high profile challenges. He jumped into all three and has succeeded in each. His I your face behavior is ONLY noticed because of his success. If he was riding a wave of 5 consecutive non winning seasons on 2 teams and STILL running his mouth with inanities, THEN a Rex Ryan comparison mig make a bit more sense. As it is, it's so far off as to invite ridicule. I am simply obliging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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