mrags Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 "Terrorism" has replaced "Think of the children" for the government's continued nanny state invasion into our livesthat may be correct. But are you willing to take the chance? How will it effects at people's tailgating experiences? Is it that big of a problem to keep an eye out for possible issues while also stopping 19 year olds from banging in the parking lots, or throwing their friends through flaming tables.
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 I don't care as long as they let me drink my beer and smoke my bowls in peace.
DrDawkinstein Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) well, I guess it all comes down to how you characterize "terrorism". Because as I said, I feel gang activity is a much larger issue in this country. I don't classify them as terrorism. Not even one teenie bit. I classify them as criminals. Drug dealers. Murderers. Gang members. Â Regardless if my opinion is correct or not here, I classify terrorism (at least the kind im talking about) as Radical Islam. A war on freedom and western civilization as we know it. Â Forget about the gangs for a minute... Â Â Where do you classify the Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting? The Colorado Movie shooting? Sandy Hook? VA Tech? Binghamton 2009? Â Mere "criminals"? Because that is 4 out of the 7 most deadliest public mass shootings in the 2000s. Â Do they not count since they werent brown? Edited June 23, 2016 by DrDareustein
mrags Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Â Forget about the gangs for a minute... Â Â Where do you classify the Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting? The Colorado Movie shooting? Sandy Hook? VA Tech? Binghamton 2009? Â Mere "criminals"? Because that is 4 out of the 7 most deadliest public mass shootings in the 2000s. Â Do they not count since they werent brown? they were delusional psycho idiots with mental health problems. I do not consider these acts as terrorism. Â But if we want to really get into the debate, and what the whole argument is all about... Armed policing of those locations could have stopped these attacks. Or at least minimized the tragic loss of life.
DrDawkinstein Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) they were delusional psycho idiots with mental health problems. I do not consider these acts as terrorism. Â But if we want to really get into the debate, and what the whole argument is all about... Armed policing of those locations could have stopped these attacks. Or at least minimized the tragic loss of life. Â In other words, "because they arent brown". Ok then... Â And by "armed police" you mean like the 1 dead, and 4 injured in the Planned Parenthood shooting that didnt stop anything? Edited June 23, 2016 by DrDareustein
Deranged Rhino Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Regardless if my opinion is correct or not here, I classify terrorism (at least the kind im talking about) as Radical Islam. A war on freedom and western civilization as we know it. Â It's funny, at least to me, that in order to combat this invisible enemy who's waging war on "freedom and western civilization", our government's response has been to strip away all the constitutional freedoms and protections which made the west the west in exchange for security.
DrDawkinstein Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Â It's funny, at least to me, that in order to combat this invisible enemy who's waging war on "freedom and western civilization", our government's response has been to strip away all the constitutional freedoms and protections which made the west the west in exchange for security. Â When you put it like that, its almost like you are saying the terrorists won and we fell right into their trap by playing their game!
mrags Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Â In other words, "because they arent brown". Ok then... Â And by "armed police" you mean like the 1 dead, and 4 injured in the Planned Parenthood shooting that didnt stop anything? or the 50 dead at Orlando. Or the 14 dead in San Bernadino, or the 12 in Aurora. No armed security. Â I don't consider terrorism a racial issue. A white idiot can create terrorism. I consider terrorism as an act against our way of life. I consider Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine as idiots that couldn't function in society. They basically wanted to be different or wanted to be famous for what they did. They were not carried out in an act against government or freedom. Â Meanwhile, Timothy McVeigh, the Boston Bombers, Orlando, and San Bernadino as crimes against religion, freedom, and a free way of life. Â As far as the planned parenthood shooting, I don't know enough about it to comment. Â It's funny, at least to me, that in order to combat this invisible enemy who's waging war on "freedom and western civilization", our government's response has been to strip away all the constitutional freedoms and protections which made the west the west in exchange for security. i don't disagree with added security. Â But no way in hell do I agree with it effecting individuals rights. There is a way to do both. For example, taking guns away from citizens is not the answer to help fight crime against criminals who generally obtain guns illegally. Â And no, I'm not talking about every single instance. But I am talking about the "domestic terrorism" that others spoke of earlier. That I also agreed is a larger issue than global terrorism. Â When you put it like that, its almost like you are saying the terrorists won and we fell right into their trap by playing their game! unfortunately, we did. Well, the bleading hearts did. Or maybe the better way to say it is, the idiots did.
fansince88 Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/06/22/orchard-park-board-discusses-proposal-for-police-access-to-private-parking-lots-on-game-days-at-stadium/ Â Â Â Bull ****, we all know the primary reason is that you don't want people destroying folding tables on youtube. It's pretty shameful that they would use the guise of terrorism to justify stopping people from breaking tables. No one was talking about this before a year ago. Let's go back a little bit and see what Mark Poloncarz had to say last season: Â Â Â Â Â Â Â http://wivb.com/2016/01/04/county-officials-react-to-bills-fan-behavior/ Â http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/06/22/orchard-park-board-discusses-proposal-for-police-access-to-private-parking-lots-on-game-days-at-stadium/ Â Â Â Bull ****, we all know the primary reason is that you don't want people destroying folding tables on youtube. It's pretty shameful that they would use the guise of terrorism to justify stopping people from breaking tables. No one was talking about this before a year ago. Let's go back a little bit and see what Mark Poloncarz had to say last season: Â Â Â Â Â Â Â http://wivb.com/2016/01/04/county-officials-react-to-bills-fan-behavior/ But they would NEVER use the guise of terrorism to keep a person from owning a gun.........Sarcasm meter should be pinging right now.
jimmy10 Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 I just want to say I've spent a lot of time in various public and private lots prior to Bills games and never once have I seen anybody thrown into a table. The craziest things I saw last year were a guy in a gorilla suit and two dudes running around, one giving the other a piggy back ride. Â Whether it's a response to enemies either foreign or domestic, I think it's an overreaction.
DrDawkinstein Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 unfortunately, we did. Well, the bleading hearts did. Or maybe the better way to say it is, the idiots did. Â HAHAHAHA... dude... this is sad and hilarious. Â I forgot about those bleeding hearts like Sensenbrenner, DeLay, Rumsfield, Cheney, and Bush that pushed that Patriot Act through... Â But as long as you have someone on the "opposite side" to blame and call names... Â (hint: there are no opposite sides. in any of this. the closest post youve made to reality was when you started talking about the mentally unstable.)
mrags Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Â HAHAHAHA... dude... this is sad and hilarious. Â I forgot about those bleeding hearts like Sensenbrenner, DeLay, Rumsfield, Cheney, and Bush that pushed that Patriot Act through... Â But as long as you have someone on the "opposite side" to blame and call names... Â (hint: there are no opposite sides. in any of this. the closest post youve made to reality was when you started talking about the mentally unstable.) really? I just acknowledged your take on how stupid we have been as a whole in letting the terrorists win and your gonna go this route? Â The only thing we actually disagree on is our opinions of what terrorism is. Where you consider crime by local gangs and other things as in the same boat as mass shootings by people on no fly lists. Â Well, that and you may be a Hillary supporter.
KollegeStudnet Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Once upon a time... Â I was 7 years old at a private lot, where I saw a grown adult male laying on the ground choking on his vomit. I had to get another intoxicated fan to save him. Â I helped save his life, a 7 year old.
DrDawkinstein Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 really? I just acknowledged your take on how stupid we have been as a whole in letting the terrorists win and your gonna go this route? Â The only thing we actually disagree on is our opinions of what terrorism is. Where you consider crime by local gangs and other things as in the same boat as mass shootings by people on no fly lists. Â Well, that and you may be a Hillary supporter. Â Name calling the "opposite side" so you can dismiss them again. And no Im not.
CommonCents Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Once upon a time... Â I was 7 years old at a private lot, where I saw a grown adult male laying on the ground choking on his vomit. I had to get another intoxicated fan to save him. Â I helped save his life, a 7 year old. I wonder if he sat on his nuts on the way down.
mrags Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Â Name calling the "opposite side" so you can dismiss them again. And no Im not. again. No name calling. I was simply stating my thoughts on your political backing. Apparently I was wrong. I Don't Know how I'll ever live with myself.
dwight in philly Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) How do you know they are hard working? I'll ignore the rest of your post, as we all should. ignore the rest? not sure i understand and hard working was just a generalized opinion. Edited June 23, 2016 by dwight in philly
vincec Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 I would say that one's opinion of this is an ink blot test of your view of the police. If you think that the police are a nuisance at best and racial profiling, harassers at worst then you probably see this as another opportunity for them to shaft you. If you see the police as helping to maintain a calm, safe and family oriented environment then you are probably OK with them walking through your lot.
mrags Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 I would say that one's opinion of this is an ink blot test of your view of the police. If you think that the police are a nuisance at best and racial profiling, harassers at worst then you probably see this as another opportunity for them to shaft you. If you see the police as helping to maintain a calm, safe and family oriented environment then you are probably OK with them walking through your lot.perfectly said. Another way is, if your not breaking the law and smoking blunts or doing other illegal activities, why should you care?
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