klos63 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 It still boils down to people being azzholes. Don't matter pink , purple, blue, or green azzholes are azzholes. Let's just say that 90 percent are justified. Police hold back and you see a spike in cops being killed. Do you get upset? Or are you one of the people that want more cops shot? Almost 6000 people kill this year by being shot. Are you up set I've that? You have nothing to back up that statement. Up until this past week, the number of cops being killed has gone down in the recent years. Do I want more cops shot? F@@K YOU! it was justified because even if the guy was legally permitted to own a gun he was not permitted to conceal carry and as someone that is registered to conceal carry, it would take the biggest of idiots to carry their weapon in their lap when being pulled over by the police. At the very least it was a terrible judgment call by Castillo. One that cost him his life. We don't know the story as the only video leaked is the one from his girlfriend that is proven to be riddled with lies, or if you believe she didn't know, misinformation. But the officer in the video (after the actual shooting) is standing there stating that Castillo did not listen to his requests to show his hands. And that's all the officer knew at this point. The video wasn't leaked, she streamed it live- your bias is showing. Riddled with lies - the video lied- that's a new one. Where did you read that his weapon was on his lap. I have not read that anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 And if the officer is wrong and kills an innocent person, what should be done? And would you openly support punishment? BS- we have 'feel good' stories all the time. What you don't understand is it doesn't matter if the individual in the vehicle legally had a gun. That is not the issue. He was given a directive to produce his identification and then I formed the Officer that he had a weapon. At that point, it appears the officer gave him a new and different (because of the weapon) directive not to move. He apparently did not comply and reached for something( probably his ID) anyway. This cost him his life. The girlfriend states " how could he give his license without moving" ? But fails to comprehend that the Officer telling him not to move superceded the original request. If an officer is wrong and kills an innocent person, he would only be punished if he was found to be acting outside the scope of his duties and training , in a willful manner. That is, intentionally when no threat existed any longer.Not simply made a mistake, or an error in judgement. That is a high burden of proof, more than exists for a civilian. It has to be, because an officer has only an instant to react. They cannot wait for a more obvious or greater threat to exist, say the individual actually holding a gun or even pointing it at them. If the officer did, they would likely be dead. That's the difference between you and them. They are given the power to use deadly physical force if they believe it to be necessary to protect their own life or the lives of innocent bystanders. The Louisiana incident looks a little more sketchy, but the Officer can be heard shouting " gun". The Minn incident seems like a tragic and unnecessary one that happened only because the guy didn't follow a clear directive not to move his hands. Officers have the right to tell you to do this folks. They are requesting inaction to keep the scene safe for all. It's not hard to not reach for anything if an Officer tells you not to. That person would likely be alive today, not if as the Minn governor foolishly stated , he were white. Just if he had listened to the Officer telling him not to move when he became aware that he was carrying a weapon. Legal or not. A legal handgun kills just as well as an illegal one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) The video wasn't leaked, she streamed it live- your bias is showing. Riddled with lies - the video lied- that's a new one. Where did you read that his weapon was on his lap. I have not read that anywhere. my Bias is showing??? How about my misuse of the way the video was shown. What the F<K ever. It was live streamed... After the shooting took place. She specifically stated in the video that they were pulled over for a busted tail light. And that he was licensed to conceal carry. Both statements were 100% false. Regardless if she lied about it or was unaware of her lies, you; or the other millions of people watching don't know that. Here's some info about how they were pulled over because he fit the description of someone involved in a robbery a few days ago. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/ It also states that he was not licensed to carry. And any real registered gun owner and liscensed to conceal carry individual knows that guns don't gon in laps when you are driving around town. They go into carry cases or are stored in a lockbox such as a locked glove compartment, or the trunk, with the ammo in a separate compartment. But most people not educated about gun laws wouldn't know that. So I don't hold it against you. My bias is showing??? Really? I think it's funny that you have fought to the ends of earth for these people claiming they have done nothing wrong. When you in fact don't know for sure if that is actually how things went down. that makes you a hypocrite. But I wouldn't expect anything different. You've already expressed your opinions on law enforcement and how they wrongfully target blacks. If you ask me... You bias is the one showing. Edited July 10, 2016 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 my Bias is showing??? How about my misuse of the way the video was shown. What the F<K ever. It was live streamed... After the shooting took place. She specifically stated in the video that they were pulled over for a busted tail light. And that he was licensed to conceal carry. Both statements were 100% false. Regardless if she lied about it or was unaware of her lies, you; or the other millions of people watching don't know that. Here's some info about how they were pulled over because he fit the description of someone involved in a robbery a few days ago. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/ It also states that he was not licensed to carry. And any real registered gun owner and liscensed to conceal carry individual knows that guns don't gon in laps when you are driving around town. They go into carry cases or are stored in a lockbox such as a locked glove compartment, or the trunk, with the ammo in a separate compartment. But most people not educated about gun laws wouldn't know that. So I don't hold it against you. My bias is showing??? Really? I think it's funny that you have fought to the ends of earth for these people claiming they have done nothing wrong. When you in fact don't know for sure if that is actually how things went down. that makes you a hypocrite. But I wouldn't expect anything different. You've already expressed your opinions on law enforcement and how they wrongfully target blacks. If you ask me... You bias is the one showing. We could continue to go back and forth here, but when you reference a website - the conservative treehouse, with it's promotion of their love of the scumbag Breitbart, known for promoting lies before his fortunate, timely death, pretty much sums up your bias. If these types of killings are justifiable, we have some serious f-ing problems. What you don't understand is it doesn't matter if the individual in the vehicle legally had a gun. That is not the issue. He was given a directive to produce his identification and then I formed the Officer that he had a weapon. At that point, it appears the officer gave him a new and different (because of the weapon) directive not to move. He apparently did not comply and reached for something( probably his ID) anyway. This cost him his life. The girlfriend states " how could he give his license without moving" ? But fails to comprehend that the Officer telling him not to move superceded the original request. If an officer is wrong and kills an innocent person, he would only be punished if he was found to be acting outside the scope of his duties and training , in a willful manner. That is, intentionally when no threat existed any longer.Not simply made a mistake, or an error in judgement. That is a high burden of proof, more than exists for a civilian. It has to be, because an officer has only an instant to react. They cannot wait for a more obvious or greater threat to exist, say the individual actually holding a gun or even pointing it at them. If the officer did, they would likely be dead. That's the difference between you and them. They are given the power to use deadly physical force if they believe it to be necessary to protect their own life or the lives of innocent bystanders. The Louisiana incident looks a little more sketchy, but the Officer can be heard shouting " gun". The Minn incident seems like a tragic and unnecessary one that happened only because the guy didn't follow a clear directive not to move his hands. Officers have the right to tell you to do this folks. They are requesting inaction to keep the scene safe for all. It's not hard to not reach for anything if an Officer tells you not to. That person would likely be alive today, not if as the Minn governor foolishly stated , he were white. Just if he had listened to the Officer telling him not to move when he became aware that he was carrying a weapon. Legal or not. A legal handgun kills just as well as an illegal one. You're making assumptions on what happened when the video wasn't on, on how to interpret what we saw, and your obviously siding with the police to start with. Waste of time to discuss this with you. And if a cop can mistakenly kill someone and get away with, that's ok. No intent to kill, so he gets off? Great, give him gun back and cross your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) What statement? The number of people killed by gun shots? Do you care about all the gang deaths? Or just the ones shot by cops? Why do you take the side of the poor black guy that did nothing? Why can't these people just comply? http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/breakdown-us-citizens-killed-cops-2016 Edited July 10, 2016 by mead107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 We could continue to go back and forth here, but when you reference a website - the conservative treehouse, with it's promotion of their love of the scumbag Breitbart, known for promoting lies before his fortunate, timely death, pretty much sums up your bias. If these types of killings are justifiable, we have some serious f-ing problems. You're making assumptions on what happened when the video wasn't on, on how to interpret what we saw, and your obviously siding with the police to start with. Waste of time to discuss this with you. And if a cop can mistakenly kill someone and get away with, that's ok. No intent to kill, so he gets off? Great, give him gun back and cross your fingers. somce I already know you don't like me personally and you pretty much hate cops... I'll just end it with... YOUR AN IDIOT You obviously have a biased opinion of what happened and no matter what is said you will not change your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I am done. I will not post in this any more. If your a Cop hater your a cop hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Kilos - you inferred incorrectly in that everyone affected by these senseless shootings is terrible, n But I have nothing against the police. Anyway, this thread was supposed to be about the police using terrorism as the reason basically to stop the excessive partying in private lots for Bills games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I think a Police presence is fine. It often deters extreme foolishness. The more that Police interact with the folks in a friendly manner the better for all. But when the buzzword terrorism is used I have to find fault with this mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 This is the scariest premise since seat belts were rammed down our throats. You can disguise everything in the name of safety. Our personal freedoms are doomed. Might as well strap a go pro to my head and jam a gps up my ass now and get it over with. Big brother is watching.The gps isn't quite in our asses yet,but it's close if your smart phone is in your back pocket. That little device is accessed all the time, and by lots more interested parties than the local gendarmes. Computers in your car store all sorts of info that is now frequently being taken by way more than your mechanic. Big Everybody is now watching. Welcome to the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 You haven't experienced terror in a parking lot at a Bills game until you've been downwind from Beerball taking a dump in a porta potty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 You haven't experienced terror in a parking lot at a Bills game until you've been downwind from Beerball taking a dump in a porta potty. As the old commercial said, "when you can't breath, nothing else matters". Pure terror! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I would respect this move if they were just honest and said "Hey, it looks like too many of you dirtbags are lighting yourselves on fire and bumping uglies in ditches. We're just going to have some deputies walking around to try and make sure nobody (else) kills themselves." Otherwise it sounds more like scaremongering in an election year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I would respect this move if they were just honest and said "Hey, it looks like too many of you dirtbags are lighting yourselves on fire and bumping uglies in ditches. We're just going to have some deputies walking around to try and make sure nobody (else) kills themselves." Otherwise it sounds more like scaremongering in an election year. Yep. It's amazing what a little honesty and common sense could do, without worrying about the very small number of idiots who will actually be upset about or impacted by the move. "We're not trying to keep folks from having a good time, we're trying to stop something really bad or dangerous from happening. Be respectful and you've got nothing to worry about." I'm embarrassed by what a relatively small number of fans think they should be doing in the name of "tailgating." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Yep. It's amazing what a little honesty and common sense could do, without worrying about the very small number of idiots who will actually be upset about or impacted by the move. "We're not trying to keep folks from having a good time, we're trying to stop something really bad or dangerous from happening. Be respectful and you've got nothing to worry about." I'm embarrassed by what a relatively small number of fans think they should be doing in the name of "tailgating." Honesty and common sense ? Utopian idealism. you should be medicated and monitored. restrained possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) It seems to me that the best target for a mass shooting is the logjam at the gates. The logjam created by excessive searching for stowed away food, drink, and smokes. Improving that imo would go a long way toward prevention Edited July 12, 2016 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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