iinii Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/31/nfl-concussion-congress-roger-goodell
Augie Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 Corruption? They are seeking advice from FIFA, things will be fine.
BillsFanM.D. Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 Corruption? They are seeking advice from FIFA, things will be fine.
DC Tom Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 This league can't even consistently and coherently define what a "catch" is - something any three-year-old can do. "Stupidity" is not "corruption."
Mr. WEO Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 "There was a time in which the NFL might have been able to get ahead of this story. The league's administration certainly had a moral obligation to do so. After all, this wasn’t burying some players who got caught buying weed, and it wasn’t peddling influence to sucker some rubes into footing the bill for a new stadium. This was a workplace-safety issue that, handled correctly, would have gone a long way toward allaying the suspicion that the NFL looked at its players as just so many disposable commodities." And do...what? Tell players not to play? Encourage congress to outlaw tackle football? Any CTE researcher will concede that it is most likely that any NFL player who suffers from CTE arrived at rookie training camp already with the disease. Why is the NCAA getting a free ride on this issue? Let's say the NFL gave money for research, no questions asked and with no demands (none of their bad behavior in this regard altered any science anyway, and they would hardly be the first private donor to research that had a vested interest in the outcome of that research)--what would have changed? NFL players don't care about the news that getting hit in the head a lot can cause brain damage (RIP Ali..). In fact, when an NFL player retires "early", it's so rare that it makes headlines. If pro football, and specifically NFL football, is the cause of CTE, why would this news alter the decisions of parents regarding their kids playing football? They certainly know their kid has no chance to play pro ball, and only slightly better chance to play college ball. Has this writer gotten his labia in a knot over the fact that cigarettes are still legally sold in this country? Probably not.
BaaadThingsMan Posted June 4, 2016 Posted June 4, 2016 The NFL isn't the only sport or reason why cte exists. RIP Dave Mirra ,pro bmx rider, was found to have CTE. I don't feel like CTE is an NFL problem but I do feel they should be part of the solution if one can be found. I wonder if Laila will submit RIP Muhammad Ali's body for testing?
iinii Posted June 5, 2016 Author Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Make jokes, bury your head in the sand, blame others. Virtually every other occupation has guidelines to avoid destroying employees lives, not always adhered to, but none the less they exist. I recently had the pleasure of being around some ex-pros who had won the Heisman and there were rumblings about how Tony Dorsett needs a handler so he doesn't just wander off these days. He is far from the only one, but go ahead and have your fun there is nothing to see here. Edited June 5, 2016 by iinii
3rdand12 Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 Make jokes, bury your head in the sand, blame others. Virtually every other occupation has guidelines to avoid destroying employees lives, not always adhered to, but none the less they exist. I recently had the pleasure of being around some ex-pros who had won the Heisman and there were rumblings about how Tony Dorsett needs a handler so he doesn't just wander off these days. He is far from the only one, but go ahead and have your fun there is nothing to see here. I do not have any idea how the slow moving , but strong behemoth OSHA is involved with the NFL. How do you provide worker safety when the Occupation demands extreme levels of sacrifice ? Being aware of the past helps improve the future ideally. Be aware how long worker safety has been around ? If i was OSHA ? I would just shut it down. Give everyone a new Playstation and a lifetime subscription to Madden.
Saxum Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 If i was OSHA ? I would just shut it down. Give everyone a new Playstation and a lifetime subscription to Madden. Some are not designed to be fungi. And Madden without players to hype each year would fade away.
iinii Posted June 6, 2016 Author Posted June 6, 2016 Some are not designed to be fungi. And Madden without players to hype each year would fade away. who gets the bus? "There was a time in which the NFL might have been able to get ahead of this story. The league's administration certainly had a moral obligation to do so. After all, this wasn’t burying some players who got caught buying weed, and it wasn’t peddling influence to sucker some rubes into footing the bill for a new stadium. This was a workplace-safety issue that, handled correctly, would have gone a long way toward allaying the suspicion that the NFL looked at its players as just so many disposable commodities." If pro football, and specifically NFL football, is the cause of CTE, why would this news alter the decisions of parents regarding their kids playing football? They certainly know their kid has no chance to play pro ball, and only slightly better chance to play college ball. How many people bought lottery tickets last weekend?
iinii Posted June 6, 2016 Author Posted June 6, 2016 That's the only time I've ever felt like a team should be held civilly liable for exposing a player to further injury............how the Bills medical staff passed that guy is beyond me. quoting #Badol here. Just for the record
machine gun kelly Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 "There was a time in which the NFL might have been able to get ahead of this story. The league's administration certainly had a moral obligation to do so. After all, this wasn’t burying some players who got caught buying weed, and it wasn’t peddling influence to sucker some rubes into footing the bill for a new stadium. This was a workplace-safety issue that, handled correctly, would have gone a long way toward allaying the suspicion that the NFL looked at its players as just so many disposable commodities." And do...what? Tell players not to play? Encourage congress to outlaw tackle football? Any CTE researcher will concede that it is most likely that any NFL player who suffers from CTE arrived at rookie training camp already with the disease. Why is the NCAA getting a free ride on this issue? Let's say the NFL gave money for research, no questions asked and with no demands (none of their bad behavior in this regard altered any science anyway, and they would hardly be the first private donor to research that had a vested interest in the outcome of that research)--what would have changed? NFL players don't care about the news that getting hit in the head a lot can cause brain damage (RIP Ali..). In fact, when an NFL player retires "early", it's so rare that it makes headlines. If pro football, and specifically NFL football, is the cause of CTE, why would this news alter the decisions of parents regarding their kids playing football? They certainly know their kid has no chance to play pro ball, and only slightly better chance to play college ball. Has this writer gotten his labia in a knot over the fact that cigarettes are still legally sold in this country? Probably not. Good points Weo. The sad thing is it's even beyond NCAA and the NFL. To understand people with developing CTE, you can imagine High School and even Pop Warner could be the genesis of their developing condition. It's a complicated problem, and the NFL is not Lilly white, but not until now where they are teaching heads up football is it even modestly helpful. I was happy to see my eldest son had a concussion in lacrosse last Spring, and the protocols forced him to go to USF Neurology, where they have a protocol and he was out for almost three weeks. They wouldn't let him workout, and it was minor. My point is not happy my son was hurt for some wise guy who wants to comment, but just that sports is starting to respond at a much younger age. Youth Football is like a religion down here in FL, and y friends who are coaches are given the riot act they have to take it seriously, or could be held personally responsible. It's what is needed to save these sports. I know many of us grew up in a different time, where in one collision in wrestling they had to give me smelling salts, and I threw up hours later that night and was sensitive to light for a couple of days. I dealt with it, but glad coaches are no wrecklessly putting kids in greater harm.
Chandler#81 Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 Some are not designed to be fungi. And Madden without players to hype each year would fade away. Speaking for myself, I'd much rather Madden go retro. I'd love playing the '68 Jets at the '81 Chargers, or the '77 Raiders vs the '68 Packers. I couldn't care less about playing Madden with current players. But I'm trapped in a time-warp.. As for CTE, it's real and most -if not all- NFLers likely suffer from it. I think one reason the League is dragging this out is because the answer lies in a completely re-designed uniform using a uni-body chest/headgear design- where the head freely moves inside and doesn't absorb impact. It will completely remove personal player identity and will look like robots crashing into each other playing football. I see this coming to a gridiron near you, soon.
BarleyNY Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/31/nfl-concussion-congress-roger-goodell Wow! Thanks for posting. That was the best sports article I've read in a very long time. I honestly didn't think SI was capable of a story like this. It's good to know that the NFL's influence still has its limits.
Mr. WEO Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 Good points Weo. The sad thing is it's even beyond NCAA and the NFL. To understand people with developing CTE, you can imagine High School and even Pop Warner could be the genesis of their developing condition. It's a complicated problem, and the NFL is not Lilly white, but not until now where they are teaching heads up football is it even modestly helpful. I was happy to see my eldest son had a concussion in lacrosse last Spring, and the protocols forced him to go to USF Neurology, where they have a protocol and he was out for almost three weeks. They wouldn't let him workout, and it was minor. My point is not happy my son was hurt for some wise guy who wants to comment, but just that sports is starting to respond at a much younger age. Youth Football is like a religion down here in FL, and y friends who are coaches are given the riot act they have to take it seriously, or could be held personally responsible. It's what is needed to save these sports. I know many of us grew up in a different time, where in one collision in wrestling they had to give me smelling salts, and I threw up hours later that night and was sensitive to light for a couple of days. I dealt with it, but glad coaches are no wrecklessly putting kids in greater harm. Most experts seem to agree it's not the number of concussions, but the innumerable hits that jar the brain and cause CTE. There is no protocol the NFL (or any other entity) can or could have enforced to prevent CTE. The NFL receives these guys as they are--already damaged. The suggestion that OSHA (of all things) could have some meaningful input in this discussion is inappropriate.
boyst Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 Is cte even still a think? Such a money chase. NASCAR guys have it, action sports guys have it, regular men have it... But quick, the NFL has lots of money. Let's bastardize them and exploit more money than fuss when prices go up or they sign a $1b commercial spot. Let's forget the NBA and MLB, who Shirley have guys playing with this. Anyone see Kevin Love the other night? Let's forget the NCAA... until someone says they get millions for football merchandise, then we can forget they spend millions on cross country, the Biathalon, or water polo. Yeah!
iinii Posted June 6, 2016 Author Posted June 6, 2016 Most experts seem to agree it's not the number of concussions, but the innumerable hits that jar the brain and cause CTE. There is no protocol the NFL (or any other entity) can or could have enforced to prevent CTE. The NFL receives these guys as they are--already damaged. The suggestion that OSHA (of all things) could have some meaningful input in this discussion is inappropriate. Do you know what OSHA stands for? Maybe the NFL or The SEC or Big 10 should be in charge so the golden goose doesn't turn bronze. Maybe it should be left up to individuals and teams, kind of like in the past. Maybe Star and Briles should oversee this. They have shown us appropriate behavioral norms at every step justify winning and who cares if anyone gets hurt. Is that it WEO? Is cte even still a think? Such a money chase. NASCAR guys have it, action sports guys have it, regular men have it... But quick, the NFL has lots of money. Let's bastardize them and exploit more money than fuss when prices go up or they sign a $1b commercial spot. Let's forget the NBA and MLB, who Shirley have guys playing with this. Anyone see Kevin Love the other night? Let's forget the NCAA... until someone says they get millions for football merchandise, then we can forget they spend millions on cross country, the Biathalon, or water polo. Yeah! Everybody is doing it Mom.....so it must be okay.3. I think Ive always admired Hall of Fame linebacker Harry Carson for his post-career dedication to the long-term head-trauma issues that plague so many former players. Now Carson has engaged a group of doctors and concussion victims to discuss the impact of concussions and lesser hits to the head. On Monday, Carson and his group of experts will give an educational program to media members at NYU Langone Medical Center in Manhattan at 10 a.m. Education is so important in this area, Carson said. What we want to do is make sure the people who cover sports know the seriousness of what theyre dealing with. From MMQB
Beerball Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 Make jokes, bury your head in the sand, blame others. Virtually every other occupation has guidelines to avoid destroying employees lives, not always adhered to, but none the less they exist. I recently had the pleasure of being around some ex-pros who had won the Heisman and there were rumblings about how Tony Dorsett needs a handler so he doesn't just wander off these days. He is far from the only one, but go ahead and have your fun there is nothing to see here. So, the answer is to blame the big, bad NFL? To what purpose? Since you're on your soapbox let's get osha involved in all levels of every sport, let's legislate every aspect of sport & everyday life because you can't be too careful. I'd suggest that you are the one who is burying his head (careful that's known to cause CTE) in the sand.
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