3rdand12 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Pretty sure the people who fought the Lions in Roman times didn't do it for the money and were killed. link ? i do not really want one, that was for levity. so since i have your honest attention and we are not talking about captured prisoners being put to gruesome death, should we speak of the Gladiators who did fight for fame and fortune ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 link ? Yeah, I doubt the Lions even won. They hardly ever do now. I'm looking for the link now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 link ? Don't have a link, but here's a number to Nero's PR rep: I-DCC-IXVIIIX-MCCVIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Yeah, I doubt the Lions even won. They hardly ever do now. I'm looking for the link now.... see? this why i love you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I love Two Bills Drive and will always be a member. I often find the fans here to be very bright and very well informed. Unfortunately this thread isn't a great example. While its true that Whaley put his foot in his mouth, I don't think he's stupid and he will learn his lesson. I would also expect that the new media policy will be adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Don't have a link, but here's a number to Nero's PR rep: I-DCC-IXVIIIX-MCCVIX ditto ! I love Two Bills Drive and will always be a member. I often find the fans here to be very bright and very well informed. Unfortunately this thread isn't a great example. While its true that Whaley put his foot in his mouth, I don't think he's stupid and he will learn his lesson. I would also expect that the new media policy will be adjusted. hey there are some here that might take offense to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 link ?i do not really want one, that was for levity. so since i have your honest attention and we are not talking about captured prisoners being put to gruesome death, should we speak of the Gladiators who did fight for fame and fortune ? I know an ex gladiator. it isn't all it's cracked up to be. Concussions even though they had pretty decent helmets on. Lots of rib injuries too! And just like the NFL their pro bowl sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I wouldn't assume the Pegula's are overblowing this to the magnitude you are. 9 or 10 wins and playoffs and you think any of this matters. I don't think so. What am I overblowing? Sure, if - and it's couple of big ifs here - things settle down and the Bills get into the playoffs this season, then none of this will matter. But what if they don't? And what if the recent series of missteps is indicitive of deeper problems in the organization? That is what I'm worried about - and worrying about something like that (as opposed to insisting that it is definitely the case) is completely warranted here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) Each individual issue we've seen the last few weeks isn't a huge deal in a vacuum, but collectively they're starting to paint an ugly picture. How much stuff has Whaley, Rex and the team had to walk back lately? Just off the top of my head there's: - Whaley's comment regarding people not being built to play football. Walked back with a very league-approved "clarification". - Whaley's comment about getting 3 immediate starters from the draft (an odd thing for a GM to say since the coaching staff selects starters). D'oh! - Whaley's response that there was no concern regarding Lawson's shoulder when questioned about it immediately following his selection. Whoops! - The Bills immediately revising their new media rules when some of the dumber rules were questioned. - Rex's decision to introduce Trump at his WNY rally, which led the team to release a statement distancing themselves from his appearance at the event. The Bills have looked very incompetent recently. It's like no one is stopping to think before doing anything. I'd love to know how the Pegulas are reacting to all of this. It can't be good. They don't look incompetent, you and the media look incompetent because you, a few others, and the local media can't seem to wrap their heads around each of those manufactured "issues" -Whaley still 100% believes his comment, and most people agree with him. He walked it back because of media overreaction. -Whaley said 3 immediate starters from the draft in reference to what they have at the positions and what he believes will be their spot. He also said of course there will be competition but if they don't fill those spots, then he didn't do his job. Another media overreaction. -Whaley never said there was no concern with Lawson's shoulder. He said he was cleared by medical and if something happens they will deal with it. Another media overreaction because Whaley didn't come right out and say "yeah he needs surgery guys! can you believe it!" Also implies the situation did not change, or they didn't change their mind which they have every right to do about a player and their health. Another media overreaction. -Media rules? Great they revised them because.....wait for it.....the media overreacted and stomped their feet. "The bills don't want you to know who dropped a pass" headline sound familiar? -Who cares who Rex Ryan introduces for President. He did not even endorse him. Either way the Bills organization distancing them from politics would seem like a good idea? No it was incompetence because Rex did something on his own time. Utter, utter nonsense. Edited May 26, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I know an ex gladiator. it isn't all it's cracked up to be. Concussions even though they had pretty decent helmets on. Lots of rib injuries too! And just like the NFL their pro bowl sucked. I was hoping for an inside track. Romans kept pretty close wraps on OTAs from what i read. all you ever heard was about the vomitoriums the loose sex and rug abuse and dropping balls Figured it wasn't all goblets of wine and gold. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I make $3,350 per day working at home and set my own hours. Want to learn how? Ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 They don't look incompetent, you and the media look incompetent because you, a few others, and the local media can't seem to wrap their heads around each of those manufactured "issues" -Whaley still 100% believes his comment, and most people agree with him. He walked it back because of media overreaction. -Whaley said 3 immediate starters from the draft in reference to what they have at the positions and what he believes will be their spot. He also said of course there will be competition but if they don't fill those spots, then he didn't do his job. Another media overreaction. -Whaley never said there was no concern with Lawson's shoulder. He said he was cleared by medical and if something happens they will deal with it. Another media overreaction because Whaley didn't come right out and say "yeah he needs surgery guys! can you believe it!" Also implies the situation did not change, or they didn't change their mind which they have every right to do about a player and their health. Another media overreaction. -Media rules? Great they revised them because.....wait for it.....the media overreacted and stomped their feet. "The bills don't want you to know who dropped a pass" headline sound familiar? -Who cares who Rex Ryan introduces for President. He did not even endorse him. Either way the Bills organization distancing them from politics would seem like a good idea? No it was incompetence because Rex did something on his own time. Utter, utter nonsense. The Bills look bad right now to pretty much everyone who isn't a Bills fan. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand or pretend that's unfair if you'd like, but I'd wager that if this was all happening with the Dolphins or Jets you'd be talking about how bad they looked. And you'd be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 If I ruled the world, football would be much different. I love so many aspects of it which is why I keep watching and supporting the NFL and Bills. But I hate the violence and adverse effects it can have on those who participate. I wish more of those in charge of the NFL and its teams would make a stronger effort to change the sport for the better. But if I truly believed that "humans are not supposed to play" football like Whaley literally stated then I couldn't in good conscience make my living off of those who do play the sport. "Embarrassed" isn't the same as "doomed." Not just "anyone." But a helluva lot more than there are number of NFL GM positions. It's far from rocket science. It's proven fact that draft results are overwhelmingly luck and very little skill, for instance. This is why I should just stay off TBD during the silly season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) The Bills look bad right now to pretty much everyone who isn't a Bills fan. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand or pretend that's unfair if you'd like, but I'd wager that if this was all happening with the Dolphins or Jets you'd be talking about how bad they looked. And you'd be right. The Bills look bad to anyone that is willing to listen to the nonstop 24 hour news cycle about a GM who didn't know about some surgery for his 1st round pick, and doesn't think players should be playing football. Sure. Absolutely. Except as Bills fans we know that's not what happened. For example half the comments I see people making about "players shouldn't play football" were either "then why is he a GM?" or "doesn't he know that without football he would be out of a job" and then "what an idiot" or "0-16". Give me a break. These are the people that we care what they think? Let alone the actual reports who can't seem to grasp the concept with access to the full quote. Why would they? Playing stupid makes them more money. Doug Whaley thinks "humans shouldn't play football" sounds better and makes more money than "Doug Whaley thinks that Sammy Watkins has been injured because football is a violent game, and humans probably aren't supposed to be playing it" in reference to injuries happen in the league. Yes, the Bills look bad right now, because the media is doing it's thing, cashing in with no regard for the truth, because it's viewers don't care or require the truth. Edited May 26, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 The Bills look bad right now to pretty much everyone who isn't a Bills fan. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand or pretend that's unfair if you'd like, but I'd wager that if this was all happening with the Dolphins or Jets you'd be talking about how bad they looked. And you'd be right. :lol: nobody but Bills fans care about the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) Given the context in which Whaley was speaking, what he said wasn't entirely accurate. It's true that the human body endures weekly trauma in the NFL that most of us don't experience. However, the vast majority of players exit games injury-free. What Whaley should've said was that Sammy Watkins's body wasn't meant to play football. Putting the legalities of his statement aside, because they are unclear, Whaley statement is undoubtedly injurious (no pun intended) to the NFL's reputation and future. Imagine if you're a kid and an NFL GM comes out and says the human body shouldn't be playing football? Couple that with the number of high profile players walking away prematurely, Goodell had to have Whaley on the phone after that statement. Almost none exit games injury free...some just miss time with them, a lot don't...You know how many dislocated fingers during the course of a game and have them popped back in like nothing and keep playing, most never even reported? A ton. Edited May 26, 2016 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) This is what is known in politics as a "Kinsley Gaff" (after the political writer Mike Kinsley). A Kinsley Gaff occurs when a prominent politician (or other spokesperson) accidently, in a moment of carelessness, says aloud a truth that everybody knows but that nobody wants to admit because they have powerful interests in living a lie. A Kinsely Gaff usually sparks outrage and ridicule from hordes of people who know it is the truth but who do not, cannot, acknowledge it. The speaker of the truth must be humiliated and made to recant so that the state of public ignorance can be maintained. A recent Kinsley Gaff in politics was when a member of the Benghazi committee said that the investigation was achieving its goal of undermining Hillary Clinton's reputation. Another was when a political operative for the Republican Party expressed satisfaction that the new draconian voter ID laws in his state were going to work to suppress Democratic turnout. I expect Whaley to be beaten about the head and shoulders by every person involved professionally with football, and many fans, until he has to crawl on his hands and knees and beg forgiveness for saying THE THING THAT MUST NOT BE SAID. Edited May 26, 2016 by Dr. K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 This is what is knows in politics as a "Kinsley Gaff" (after the political writer Mike Kinsley). A Kinsley Gaff occurs when a prominent politician (or other spokesperson) accidently, in a moment of carelessness, says aloud a truth that everybody knows but that nobody wants to admit because they have powerful interests in living a lie. A Kinsely Gaff usually sparks outrage and ridicule from hordes of people who know it is the truth but who do not, cannot, acknowledge it. The speaker of the truth must be humiliated and made to recant so that the state of public ignorance can be maintained. A recent Kinsley Gaff in politics was when a member of the Benghazi committee said that the investigation was achieving its goal of undermining Hillary Clinton's reputation. Another was when a political operative for the Republican Party expressed satisfaction that the new draconian voter ID laws in his state were going to work to suppress Democratic turnout. I expect Whaley to be beaten about the head and shoulders by every person involved professionally with football, and many fans, until he has to crawl on his hands and knees and beg forgiveness for saying THE THING THAT MUST NOT BE SAID. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 The Bills look bad to anyone that is willing to listen to the nonstop 24 hour news cycle about a GM who didn't know about some surgery for his 1st round pick, and doesn't think players should be playing football. Sure. Absolutely. Except as Bills fans we know that's not what happened. For example half the comments I see people making about "players shouldn't play football" were either "then why is he a GM?" or "doesn't he know that without football he would be out of a job" and then "what an idiot" or "0-16". Give me a break. These are the people that we care what they think? Let alone the actual reports who can't seem to grasp the concept with access to the full quote. Why would they? Playing stupid makes them more money. Doug Whaley thinks "humans shouldn't play football" sounds better and makes more money than "Doug Whaley thinks that Sammy Watkins has been injured because football is a violent game, and humans probably aren't supposed to be playing it" in reference to injuries happen in the league. Yes, the Bills look bad right now, because the media is doing it's thing, cashing in with no regard for the truth, because it's viewers don't care or require the truth. No. It's about a GM, HC and other team representatives doing things that people in their positions should know better than to do. Of course the media was going to run with Whaley's "violent game" comment. That shouldn't surprise anyone, especially Whaley. That's why GMs generally don't make comments like that. They are supposed to know better. And, again, it wasn't one comment - it's been a parade of issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 This story is only still a thing here. Keep up the good work. Only 3 1/2 months more before we can complain about actual games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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