B-Man Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 No , the religious folk are the ones who are deranged. That , however is not PC to say. On the contrary, it is exactly what the PC crowd would say. There is nothing courageous about criticizing religion........it is a sport on the Left. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 (edited) In theory, I believe that a business owner should be able to deny service to any person at any time for any reason. If the same service can reasonably be procured at another business, I don't see how a single business denying service violates one's rights. The problem arises when there are not reasonable alternatives, or when the alternatives either independently of in collusion with one another decide to deny service to the same person or people. For example, let's say I live a rural town with 4 gas stations, but besides those 4 there is not another gas station for 100 miles in any direction. If one of the gas stations denies me service because I'm balding, I can simply choose to go to one of the other three and go about my business, and my rights are not being violated. If the other three gas stations close or also decide they don't serve balding men, now my rights are being violated because driving 200 miles round trip just for gas is not a reasonable alternative. In a practical sense, it is much more efficient for the gov't to say businesses can't discriminate than it is for them to investigate and determine which individual discriminations actually result in a violation of rights, and that's a trade off I'm ok with even though it goes against my beliefs on the rights of business owners in a theoretical sense. Edited August 5, 2016 by Chandemonium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 No , the religious folk are the ones who are deranged. That , however is not PC to say. I personally do not care if someone wants to believe in fairy tales, they are free to do so. I'm not aware of any religious text that says one should not photograph a particular type of ceremony or that one should not provide food to any non heterosexuals in exchange for a cash retainer. But hey, I'm no expert on fairy tales either. By working for it, they are complicit in it. Businesses have the right to do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. They are personal businesses. If I don't like the look of you, I have the right to not do ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/johnson-attend-town-hall-trump-clinton/ A chance to show up on the same stage. We'll see if it really happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 By working for it, they are complicit in it. Businesses have the right to do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. They are personal businesses. If I don't like the look of you, I have the right to not do ****. That is a stretch. Is the cashier at Walgreens complicit in homosexuality if she checks out a gay customer purchasing condoms? Where would this kind of thing end? A black hole, indeed. Actually, business do not. They are given certain advantages by the government , and therefore must abide by certain rules. Most business are somebody's personal business. So what? Run it completely off the books and unbeknownst to the government , then do as you please. On the contrary, it is exactly what the PC crowd would say. There is nothing courageous about criticizing religion........it is a sport on the Left. . There is nothing courageous or inherently righteous about being religious either. I still say criticizing overzealous religious dogma while amongst a group is not considered PC . Accepting it in silence is PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 That is a stretch. Is the cashier at Walgreens complicit in homosexuality if she checks out a gay customer purchasing condoms? Where would this kind of thing end? A black hole, indeed. Actually, business do not. They are given certain advantages by the government , and therefore must abide by certain rules. Most business are somebody's personal business. So what? Run it completely off the books and unbeknownst to the government , then do as you please. There is nothing courageous or inherently righteous about being religious either. I still say criticizing overzealous religious dogma while amongst a group is not considered PC . Accepting it in silence is PC The cashier does not own the business. They can be fired. Try again with a better comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 http://wavy.com/2016/08/07/rep-scott-rigell-endorses-libertarian-gary-johnson-for-president/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/290530-exclusive-gary-johnson-op-ed-theres-another-choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 They are given certain advantages by the government , and therefore must abide by certain rules. What are these advantages given businesses by the government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Businesses have the right to do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. They are personal businesses. If I don't like the look of you, I have the right to not do ****. So if you don't like a person's skin tone, you don't have to serve them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 So if you don't like a person's skin tone, you don't have to serve them? Yea, that's a bad idea and in many business sectors such as property management there are laws against discriminatory actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 So if you don't like a person's skin tone, you don't have to serve them? If you own the business, yep. I realize that's a cold stance to take, but I believe such folks in today's day and age would be corrected by the free market. We don't need government assistance to regulate !@#$s. Human beings will do just fine by giving a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 By working for it, they are complicit in it. Businesses have the right to do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. They are personal businesses. If I don't like the look of you, I have the right to not do ****. There are no personal businesses you are thinking of hobbies - If businesses were personal then any business debts should become personal debts, and any death or injury caused by business activity should result in personal charges (assault, manslaughter, murder) - any business that has any form of limited liability is not personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 There are no personal businesses you are thinking of hobbies - If businesses were personal then any business debts should become personal debts, and any death or injury caused by business activity should result in personal charges (assault, manslaughter, murder) - any business that has any form of limited liability is not personal. Now explain again why the CEO's of banks should be in jail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 There are no personal businesses you are thinking of hobbies - If businesses were personal then any business debts should become personal debts, and any death or injury caused by business activity should result in personal charges (assault, manslaughter, murder) - any business that has any form of limited liability is not personal. Wait what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Wait what? I think what he's trying to say is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Yea, that's a bad idea and in many business sectors such as property management there are laws against discriminatory actions. I realize there are laws against it, but it wouldn't be the first or last useless law that we don't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 There are no personal businesses Then why does my business income go on my personal tax return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Then why does my business income go on my personal tax return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/gary-johnson-raises-1-5-million-in-one-day-with-15-donations/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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