YoloinOhio Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Andy Benoit podcast uses a 3 person voting panel with a combination of film study and analytics. Bills have a strong showing and if you have time to listen they talk about interesting stuff on how the development of Darby changed how they will plan to use Gilmore. I don't remember what part of the podcast they start with the list but it was about 1/3 through. Bills and Broncos only teams to have 2 Top 15 CBs. 1. Patrick Peterson 2. Richard Sherman 3. Chris Harris, Jr. 4. Josh Norman 5. Darrelle Revis 6. Stephon Gilmore 7T Aqib Talib 7T Desmond Trufant 9. Jason Verrett 10. Joe Haden 11. Malcolm Butler 12. Vontae Davis 13. Marcus Peters 14. Ron Darby 15T Delvin Breaux 15T Darius Slay http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/19/nfl-best-cornerbacks-sherman-peterson-revis-harris Edited May 19, 2016 by YoloinOhio
NoSaint Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 I feel like there's a split here on Gilmore, and not in the 1-2 crazies trolling but a good chunk on each side. This, maybe even a touch higher but I'm not going to split hairs on subjective stuff that I don't have a fully developed opinion on (can't say I've watched ALL of 2015 revis), is a fair spot.
YoloinOhio Posted May 19, 2016 Author Posted May 19, 2016 I was surprised how high Gilmore ended up only because he isn't talked about much on a league-wide scale. Janoris Jenkins, whose contract many of us think he will emulate, was listed on "others receiving votes"
thebandit27 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 I think Peterson and Revis are too high, but other than that those rankings make complete sense to me.
Chandler#81 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 I feel like there's a split here on Gilmore, and not in the 1-2 crazies trolling but a good chunk on each side. This, maybe even a touch higher but I'm not going to split hairs on subjective stuff that I don't have a fully developed opinion on (can't say I've watched ALL of 2015 revis), is a fair spot. Agreed. With the exception of the loons, I think most Bills fans knew last year we possess an outstanding tandem of Press Cover CB's. A significant contributor to the big drop off in Sacks was less Rex's scheme and more that opposition offenses chose to throw quickly. Gilmore & Darby are perfect for this.
YoloinOhio Posted May 19, 2016 Author Posted May 19, 2016 I used to really think Joe Haden was good but right now I wouldn't include him in the top 10. They mentioned that he wasn't a consensus top 15 among their voters and one was voting him based on his career as an aggregate.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) I listened to the podcast this morning. Gilmore is a very good CB who has room to get even better. The personnel people in the league, along with OBJ, know this and the Bills better not let him get to the open market. Looking forward to seeing Darby climb even higher on this list after what he showed last season. Edited May 19, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 I think CB play has been severely hampered by rule changes. IF Gilmore is the 6th best CB I feel that is more an indictment on CB play. I also think Darby showed more in small doses this year than Gilmore has over the same period of time.
FireChan Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Has Revis had a truly strong year since he was originally on the Jets? Maybe last year on the Pats?
thebandit27 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Wow...how is Talib not in the top 5?? My opinion only: too many penalties
Kirby Jackson Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 I like Trufant's game a lot. I think that he's one of the most underrated players in the NFL.
Mr. WEO Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 My opinion only: too many penalties Well....if you mean stupid penalties, for sure. Otherwise, only few more than Sherman and Norman. I like Trufant's game a lot. I think that he's one of the most underrated players in the NFL. Probably because nobody watches Falcons games.
YoloinOhio Posted May 19, 2016 Author Posted May 19, 2016 My opinion only: too many penaltiesthe panel noted that he lacked quick twitch ability. Penalties and lack of discipline were not mentioned but should have been.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 I think Peterson and Revis are too high, but other than that those rankings make complete sense to me. Agree on Revis. He got beat a lot last year. And Peterson was overrated as a CB early in his career but I think he was really good last year. And obviously this idiot doesn't know football. Gilmore gave up catches to Wrs last year. He sucks. Darby and Gilmore are terrific. However, Gilmore needs to stay healthy. Imagine how good both of these guys could be with a pass rush? Yeah, healthy is a concern. He is a really good physical CB. His injuries are legit though. He needs to drink more milk. But yeah, with our 2014 and Gilmore and Darby, our defense should have been amazing last year.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Agree on Revis. He got beat a lot last year. And Peterson was overrated as a CB early in his career but I think he was really good last year. And obviously this idiot doesn't know football. Gilmore gave up catches to Wrs last year. He sucks. Yeah, healthy is a concern. He is a really good physical CB. His injuries are legit though. He needs to drink more milk. But yeah, with our 2014 and Gilmore and Darby, our defense should have been amazing last year. The injury risk can be mitigated by improving his crude tackling technique.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 The injury risk can be mitigated by improving his crude tackling technique. Yeah, it definitely can be better. In general, most cbs (minus Antonie Winfield) are bad tacklers. Maybe he should use the Deion technique.
vincec Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 Gilmore is a very good CB, but I think the odds are less than 50-50 that he re-signs in Buffalo. He will want a mega deal and the Bills will be giving so much to Taylor if he has a good season that I don't see how they can keep Gilmore too. Now, if Taylor bombs next season then I think the chances of signing Gilmore go up considerably.
dave mcbride Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Agree on Revis. He got beat a lot last year. And Peterson was overrated as a CB early in his career but I think he was really good last year. And obviously this idiot doesn't know football. Gilmore gave up catches to Wrs last year. He sucks. Yeah, healthy is a concern. He is a really good physical CB. His injuries are legit though. He needs to drink more milk. But yeah, with our 2014 and Gilmore and Darby, our defense should have been amazing last year. ?? - I don't know Revis finished with regard to stats, but through week 8 he was 2nd in the nfl by mid-november. I thought he played well this past season despite a bad final game. There are 16 games, not simply 2 against the bills. I see a lot of jets games .... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000572707/article/position-rankings-midseason-allpro-team Edited May 20, 2016 by dave mcbride
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 Gilmore is a very good CB, but I think the odds are less than 50-50 that he re-signs in Buffalo. He will want a mega deal and the Bills will be giving so much to Taylor if he has a good season that I don't see how they can keep Gilmore too. Now, if Taylor bombs next season then I think the chances of signing Gilmore go up considerably. No idea what will happen, but the Bills track record under Ralph of signing CBs to mega-deals was, well, imaginary. They drafted to replace veteran CBs with 1st and 2nd year guys. It was a revolving door position. A concept that thrilled my friend Big Apple Bill to no end. (Sorry Bill.)
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