The equally annoying "Obnoxiously Obtuse Optimists"

[vorpma]

As an eternal optimist and a fan who can remember Richie Lucas and 1960, I can live with the negativity. We have earned it. I just make one simple request. Can the nattering nabobs be banned from reminding us how long it has been since we made the playoffs in every thread and to make every argument. We ALL KNOW THAT. We are well aware. Thank you. I feel better now.

Good (17 years) post!

[Tenhigh]

Your gonna feel all dirty and need a shower

But at least he'll be able to say that he was right if everything doesn't go 100% perfectly.

[Fadingpain]

Time to bring out the big guns. A treatise.

The big gun is approaching the front as I type.

 

[Green Lightning]

I've followed the Bills since 1963. I reserve the right to B word. As Patton said, a good soldier bitches. Mostly I'm happy to have a team to root for. But sometimes they make me so g*ddamn mad I have to shut off all mention of them for days. It passes. So when a Shaq Lawson fiasco emerges, in the 50 year view of things, it's just kind of how it is with this franchise. Shake it off, at the end of the day we're "all in."

[Buffalo Barbarian]

C'mon guys only 5 pages, you're really dragging the board down.

[Nihilarian]

LOL! That's even better than the pony in the schit-filled room. Like I said the other day, the bad news about Lawson and Watkins was like Viagra for some people here.

 

SCHWING!

 

Is this where I put the smiley face?

 

GO BILLS!!!

Not for me! Mostly because It will give the status quo more excuses for this season and it shouldn't be about excuses anymore!

 

Bill Belichick lost Tom Brady for 15 games and still finished that 2008 season 11-5. Last year that Patriots team lost so many starting players to injury, at WR, at RB, on the O-Line, and on defense and that team still almost went to the SB! Brady, Ninkovich, and Butler were the only three Patriots players on the entire team to play in all 16 games!

 

 

Can we all agree that the current front office has said they were ready to win now and put a big effort into finding players to make that happen for 2015, and last year's team had enough talent on it to get this team into the playoffs!

 

Then the team fell far short due to the hire of a bad head coach who is a supposed defensive genius and yet couldn't figure out how to get a pro bowl D-line to play up to their former performance of a short year ago. It wasn't just the defenses defensive line playing below what they did the previous season. It was a clear lack of team discipline with being #2 in the league in penalties. It was the defensive play calls coming in late and late player substitutions. It was the defensive players not being ready when the ball was snapped. It was bad defensive scheming, bad defensive game planning, bad play calls and the team looking very unprepared for half of the seasons games.

 

We all saw it and it's hard not to notice the elephant in the room who is crapping all over and stinking up the place. I wondered at times if this new HC hire was still stinging from his two humiliating defeats by the Buffalo Bills during the 2014 season and was purposely attempting to submarine his own team to get fired so he could do nothing for the next four seasons and still get paid 5 mill per! Why the 5-year contract for an HC that went 4-12 the year before? Anyway, Is he still a gang green Jet fan at heart or is he really that inept that he refused to run the proper schemes to make that pro bowl D-line work? Then again, Ryan seemed to embrace everything Buffalo, so did he start believing in his own bombastic blathering about fielding the best defense and making the playoffs so he didn't put enough time, energy or effort into winning more games? Who freaking knows.

 

 

The offense improved with the hire of a good coordinator who helped an offense improve from 26th in total offense and near last in rushing, 27th in rushing TD's in 2014! To last year being the best team in the league in rushing The 2015 offense (13th overall) jumped into the top 15 in points scored (12th) Yards (13th) and number one in the league in big plays (Plays of over 10 yards rushing and over 25 yards passing). The number one team in the league in rushing TD's with 19.

The new OC was so good he helped a first year starting QB make the pro bowl by going 7-6 and throwing for 3035 yards with 20 TD's with only 6 INT's.

 

 

This new owner is one of the richest owners in the league and he can afford to hire the best and brightest coaches, doctors, trainers, GM and a new team president of football operations. He is so rich he could hire an entire staff of football czars if he wanted. Yet here we are with mostly the same schumcks in the front office that the last owner hired.

 

 

I yearn for the days of Chuck Knox who could take a bunch of nobody's and coach them up enough to believe that they could win against anybody.

 

The days of Marv Levy who graduated college with a degree in English literature and his famous quotes. "Ability, without character, will lose." "Don't be dumb, don't be dirty." " Football doesn't build character, it reveals character." " When it's too hard for them, its just right for us." "Fight on, my men, Sir Andrew said. "A little I'm hurt but not yet slain. " I'll just lie down and bleed a while, And then "I'll rise and Fight again."

Levy, like Knox, was a supreme motivator who could handle the big player egos and could also get the most out of his players.

 

 

 

Like Dick Jauron said, "its tough to win (to be a Bills fan) in the NFL"

Edited May 20, 2016 by Nihilarian

[Steve Billieve]

Russ Brandon made a big impression on the Pegulas when the team was sold. They were repeatedly praising him before, during, and after the sale to the media. Not really sure what aspects of his job performance you would take issue with. He's managed to keep a bad football team with an aging stadium and one of the less wealthy fan bases extremely profitable. He's done this while keeping in mind the needs of the community and setting season ticket sales records. He sounds like a rockstar! No wonder he's pres of the Sabres now too.

 

I don't want to argue about Whaley, but I'm a fan.

What front office personal do you want to replace and with whom?

[Madd Charlie]

Complaining and whining just brings down your quality of life. Its sports people enjoy it for what it is or step away until its a better fit. The complaining is absolutely pointless unless you honestly believe that Whaley or Rex is coming her for advice.

[boyst]

who said being honest and having a real view of the team in its state is complaining or bringing down the quality of life?

 

i could sell myself on bull **** and say we'll have a top 5 defense next year but i know it'll be hard enough cracking the top 10. yeah, we may rank high against the run or the yards per carry but points per game and time of possession against i feel will be awful. i see teams beating us up by the 3rd and 4th quarter. is that negative? if you want to call it that, you can. but its honest and its what is goign to happen.

 

we will be lucky to win 9 games and if we do i will not regress in my belief and statements that rex ryan is a ****ty head coach. of course, people here think winning 9 games is some mark of being excellent. some here like to get asked to prom by a 7. some here settle for driving the mercedes without automatic locks. and thats fine for them but i expect more of something i truly appreciate like no other. and their ability to try to sell this bull ****. their ability to say they wake up next to the what was once a 7 and now a 4 but are happy - it's... boggling.

[yungmack]

I've followed the Bills since 1963. I reserve the right to B word. As Patton said, a good soldier bitches. Mostly I'm happy to have a team to root for. But sometimes they make me so g*ddamn mad I have to shut off all mention of them for days. It passes. So when a Shaq Lawson fiasco emerges, in the 50 year view of things, it's just kind of how it is with this franchise. Shake it off, at the end of the day we're "all in."

Shaq Lawson fiasco? It was pretty clear he was going to need surgery. The question was, Could it wait till the offseason? So the surgery is no surprise, only the timing. Not a biggie in the overall picture. And if Shaq is as good as advertised, imagine how much better he'll be for the next decade after the surgery.

 

How's that for OOO-ism?

[Madd Charlie]

who said being honest and having a real view of the team in its state is complaining or bringing down the quality of life?

 

i could sell myself on bull **** and say we'll have a top 5 defense next year but i know it'll be hard enough cracking the top 10. yeah, we may rank high against the run or the yards per carry but points per game and time of possession against i feel will be awful. i see teams beating us up by the 3rd and 4th quarter. is that negative? if you want to call it that, you can. but its honest and its what is goign to happen.

 

we will be lucky to win 9 games and if we do i will not regress in my belief and statements that rex ryan is a ****ty head coach. of course, people here think winning 9 games is some mark of being excellent. some here like to get asked to prom by a 7. some here settle for driving the mercedes without automatic locks. and thats fine for them but i expect more of something i truly appreciate like no other. and their ability to try to sell this bull ****. their ability to say they wake up next to the what was once a 7 and now a 4 but are happy - it's... boggling.

I think the point is you don't know what the record will be next year and neither do I. Im no fan of big butt and his brother but I would be if they take us to the AFC championship which is something that Rex has done in the past. Enough people who do this for a living believe that we had a good draft so I have to take a wait and see approach. Ill save all my whining and bellyaching for when we have some actual losses i don't need a head start. Some of y'all seriously need counseling. I understand why but Im not jumping on the misery train

Edited May 21, 2016 by Dayzofglory

[What a Tuel]

I think the point is you don't know what the record will be next year and neither do I. Im no fan of big butt and his brother but I would be if they take us to the AFC championship which is something that Rex has done in the past. Enough people who do this for a living believe that we had a good draft so I have to take a wait and see approach. Ill save all my whining and bellyaching for when we have some actual losses i don't need a head start. Some of y'all seriously need counseling. I understand why but Im not jumping on the misery train

 

Be careful, they are having a kumbaya moment over there in the NNN thread, and the justification for their doom and gloom is stronger than ever in their minds.

 

I agree though. We can complain all we want about the last 16 years, but no one really knows whats going to happen this year until the games are played. Last year was the same doom and gloom about the offense, and most people were wrong about how effective it would be. On the other hand, most people thought the defense was going to be great, and they were wrong. They think that because we didn't make the playoffs they were right in their predictions all the same. Their predictions are meaningless in the grand scheme. Sure it's a message board with opinions and discussions, but I take everyone's "we will be lucky to win 9 games" with a grain of salt and a . They don't really know, they are just playing the odds.

[jahnyc]

What I really want is a performance review of the front office and personnel department (including scouts) by an independent senior football expert. Let this person make determinations about how the front office and personnel department are operating, assessments of recent drafts, signings and trades, and whether there is a blueprint for future success.

 

There is such a disconnect between the perception of many fans on this board about how Whaley is performing versus what is reported in the local and national press about Whaley's job security and long-term future. I really would like to know what an experienced, well respected football person thinks about it all.

[26CornerBlitz]

What I really want is a performance review of the front office and personnel department (including scouts) by an independent senior football expert. Let this person make determinations about how the front office and personnel department are operating, assessments of recent drafts, signings and trades, and whether there is a blueprint for future success.

 

There is such a disconnect between the perception of many fans on this board about how Whaley is performing versus what is reported in the local and national press about Whaley's job security and long-term future. I really would like to know what an experienced, well respected football person thinks about it all.

 

Sounds like more czar talk. The Pegulas 1st priority should certainly be to satisfy skeptical TSW posters regarding Whaley's job performance.

[jahnyc]

Maybe this is a czar, maybe a consultant, not sure if there is much of a difference. This would not be for me and other fans who are not qualified to assess Whaley's time with the Bills. It would be for the new owners who have spent a lot money for a team that has not had success on the field in a very long time. I guess we will see if this season is different. I certainly hope that it is.

[John from Riverside]

who said being honest and having a real view of the team in its state is complaining or bringing down the quality of life?

 

The part you never seem to get is what you call being honest and have a "real view" of the team is just from your own perspective right? YOU might feel that way (and your not alone) however there are OTHER views of this team and THEY are not necessarily wrong either......your predicting future events and you dont have a damn clue whether they are gonna happen or not.

 

i could sell myself on bull **** and say we'll have a top 5 defense next year but i know it'll be hard enough cracking the top 10. yeah, we may rank high against the run or the yards per carry but points per game and time of possession against i feel will be awful.

 

I am wondering why you feel this way....honestly. Its not like Rex Ryan has not had top defenses within the top 10 in the past.....so there really is no precedence.....other then last year....to base this feeling.

 

 

i see teams beating us up by the 3rd and 4th quarter. is that negative? if you want to call it that, you can. but its honest and its what is goign to happen.

 

Lol...what?

 

we will be lucky to win 9 games and if we do i will not regress in my belief and statements that rex ryan is a ****ty head coach. of course, people here think winning 9 games is some mark of being excellent. some here like to get asked to prom by a 7. some here settle for driving the mercedes without automatic locks. and thats fine for them but i expect more of something i truly appreciate like no other. and their ability to try to sell this bull ****. their ability to say they wake up next to the what was once a 7 and now a 4 but are happy - it's... boggling.

 

What if we win 10 games....is he still a ****ty coach? Oh wait.....a winning record (9) still makes him a ****ty coach so winning ten will probably make him a ****ty coach right? What if they make a wild card in his 2nd year after 15 years of no playoffs.....will he still be a ****ty coach?

Edited May 21, 2016 by John from Hemet

[boyst]

 

who said being honest and having a real view of the team in its state is complaining or bringing down the quality of life?

 

The part you never seem to get is what you call being honest and have a "real view" of the team is just from your own perspective right? YOU might feel that way (and your not alone) however there are OTHER views of this team and THEY are not necessarily wrong either......your predicting future events and you dont have a damn clue whether they are gonna happen or not.

 

i could sell myself on bull **** and say we'll have a top 5 defense next year but i know it'll be hard enough cracking the top 10. yeah, we may rank high against the run or the yards per carry but points per game and time of possession against i feel will be awful.

 

I am wondering why you feel this way....honestly. Its not like Rex Ryan has not had top defenses within the top 10 in the past.....so there really is no precedence.....other then last year....to base this feeling.

 

 

i see teams beating us up by the 3rd and 4th quarter. is that negative? if you want to call it that, you can. but its honest and its what is goign to happen.

 

Lol...what?

 

we will be lucky to win 9 games and if we do i will not regress in my belief and statements that rex ryan is a ****ty head coach. of course, people here think winning 9 games is some mark of being excellent. some here like to get asked to prom by a 7. some here settle for driving the mercedes without automatic locks. and thats fine for them but i expect more of something i truly appreciate like no other. and their ability to try to sell this bull ****. their ability to say they wake up next to the what was once a 7 and now a 4 but are happy - it's... boggling.

 

What if we win 10 games....is he still a ****ty coach? Oh wait.....a winning record (9) still makes him a ****ty coach so winning ten will probably make him a ****ty coach right? What if they make a wild card in his 2nd year after 15 years of no playoffs.....will he still be a ****ty coach?

 

i really don't read your replies anymore

 

the idea that you tell me my idea may be wrong so i must acknowledge everyone elses idea is special snowflake stuff that i just do not adhere to; specifically when those countering my beliefs offer no valid points to back up why i'd be wrong.

 

and, i've taken on the advice of someone to not insult you so the best way to do that is to just let you know i am not going to reply to you. cheers.

I think the point is you don't know what the record will be next year and neither do I. Im no fan of big butt and his brother but I would be if they take us to the AFC championship which is something that Rex has done in the past. Enough people who do this for a living believe that we had a good draft so I have to take a wait and see approach. Ill save all my whining and bellyaching for when we have some actual losses i don't need a head start. Some of y'all seriously need counseling. I understand why but Im not jumping on the misery train

enoguh people who do this for a living have also said we are not going to be any better next year than we have before. that there are 5000 reporters out there and 2405 say we are going to challenge the patriots is not bad.

 

my outlook and my perspective on the bills right now is anything but misery. it is not negative. it is realistic. it is what i see and it i do not see it as negative. i went in to 2015 knowing we would be as good as we were in 2014 on paper but, in reality we would be less organized and structured. next year i expect more or less the same, lack of focus and more importantly the same lack of discipline.

 

this team needs more than a head coach. it needs leaders.

 

 

Be careful, they are having a kumbaya moment over there in the NNN thread, and the justification for their doom and gloom is stronger than ever in their minds.

 

I agree though. We can complain all we want about the last 16 years, but no one really knows whats going to happen this year until the games are played. Last year was the same doom and gloom about the offense, and most people were wrong about how effective it would be. On the other hand, most people thought the defense was going to be great, and they were wrong. They think that because we didn't make the playoffs they were right in their predictions all the same. Their predictions are meaningless in the grand scheme. Sure it's a message board with opinions and discussions, but I take everyone's "we will be lucky to win 9 games" with a grain of salt and a . They don't really know, they are just playing the odds.

this is the obnoxious optimist. state your claim on how many we will win. you don't know what is going to happen record wise and neither do we. we know what is going to happen structure wise, and see above. that is what we speak about. the 2016 team will have less to do about talent on the roster or the sideline and more to do with structure and failure to compose success.

 

 

Sounds like more czar talk. The Pegulas 1st priority should certainly be to satisfy skeptical TSW posters regarding Whaley's job performance.

outrageous take on a valid point. pegula will clearly see after this season he was in over his head and hopefully has enough outside expertise to have others telling him that he needs to take another look at the way his team is run.

[26CornerBlitz]

i really don't read your replies anymore

 

the idea that you tell me my idea may be wrong so i must acknowledge everyone elses idea is special snowflake stuff that i just do not adhere to; specifically when those countering my beliefs offer no valid points to back up why i'd be wrong.

 

and, i've taken on the advice of someone to not insult you so the best way to do that is to just let you know i am not going to reply to you. cheers.

enoguh people who do this for a living have also said we are not going to be any better next year than we have before. that there are 5000 reporters out there and 2405 say we are going to challenge the patriots is not bad.

 

my outlook and my perspective on the bills right now is anything but misery. it is not negative. it is realistic. it is what i see and it i do not see it as negative. i went in to 2015 knowing we would be as good as we were in 2014 on paper but, in reality we would be less organized and structured. next year i expect more or less the same, lack of focus and more importantly the same lack of discipline.

 

this team needs more than a head coach. it needs leaders.

 

this is the obnoxious optimist. state your claim on how many we will win. you don't know what is going to happen record wise and neither do we. we know what is going to happen structure wise, and see above. that is what we speak about. the 2016 team will have less to do about talent on the roster or the sideline and more to do with structure and failure to compose success.

 

outrageous take on a valid point. pegula will clearly see after this season he was in over his head and hopefully has enough outside expertise to have others telling him that he needs to take another look at the way his team is run.

 

Outrageous conjecture!

[boyst]

 

Outrageous conjecture!

shoudl have clarified. rex was in over his head. sorry for the error.

[26CornerBlitz]

shoudl have clarified. rex was in over his head. sorry for the error.

 

Error or not you have no idea what Pegula will think about Rex or anything else. None of us do.