Not a flattering assessment of Adolphus

[BarleyNY]

I'm ok with a mid round pick being a situational pass rusher. That's an important role.

Full time starter would be great but as settling goes I'm ok with that option

I think this line of thought often gets lost in the typical post draft exuberance. People see nothing but upside as they learn about the players their team drafted and get emotionally attached to them. But the draft usually progresses from getting guys you expect to help in major roles to guys you expect to help in lesser roles to guys you don't count on, but who have traits that could push them into one of the first two categories. The 4th round is not a bad place to get a player from that second category and situational pass rushers on the DL are important to every team.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

"Right Now I think Washington is a situational pass rusher with limited upside and only a small chance of ever developing into a full time starter. His technique and pad level are poor, he lacks significant anchor at the line of scrimmage, and his hand usage is really disappointing for a player with his experience. The combine revealed that Washington is not the elite athlete we hoped he was, as the lineman tested in the 20th percentile in every athletic exercise except the 40 yard dash."

 

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/03/07/2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-ohio-state-dt-adolphus-washington/

 

This guy seems to be in love with the PJ Olympics for evaluating a player. I don't watch enough college football to have any worthwhile opinion on the critique of his technique and his pad level.

It does seem clear he's not a prototypical NT, which is one thing I personally thought Rex needed/wanted.

 

 

I don't see the logic when we REALLY need a RT and there were better DT's available. I bet Zimmer ends ups better than him.

 

Whatever the fluff about Rex's scheme may be, it seems most closely to align with a 3-4, in which case, wouldn't it be a NT not a RT that we need? And it seems clear that this guy is NOT a NT.

But Rex has his own ideas about what he needs, and was clearly given priority to acquire them. If the D lays an egg again this year, it will be on the Ryan Bros.

[Rockinon]

This. It seems to me that the Bills are going to use him on passing downs. It's a way to utilize and extend Kyle Williams effectiveness. I believe that Rex Ryan's defense isn't conventional and Washington's talents serves a purpose in it. I think that when it's a passing down Rex is looking to pressure right up the middle, adding Lawson and Hughes as compliments eliminating long passes in these situations. I like it, it'll be an exciting pressure defense.

I don't believe this at all. While it is true that he needs to work on stopping the run, it has been repeated over and over that the defense is predicated on keeping guys on the field and making them play multiple roles. When you rotate guys that have just one skill set, you are literally telling the offense exactly what you want to do on defense. Washington will play multiple downs and not just passing downs. Not doing that is a terrible idea. He may rotate with Kyle in order to stay fresh, but Ryan's defense does not give away where the pass rush is going to come from by rotating a guy in that specializes in that very role. Unless of course he rotates in as a decoy and an overload blitz comes from the other side of the defense.

 

Remember that the Ryan defense is designed to keep the offense guessing. Washington will be required to play multiple roles. You can bank on that. That being said though, yes he will also be given opportunities to rush the passer. Just not as a situational(3rd down) rusher.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Rockinon

[biggerdaddynj]

Thanks for the nice post, good attitude to take.

Hope the healing is quick and complete !!

Thank you very much!!! Much appreciated (we're so much classier than the Jets' fans who live around me!).

[Beerball]

I don't believe this at all. While it is true that he needs to work on stopping the run, it has been repeated over and over that the defense is predicated on keeping guys on the field and making them play multiple roles. When you rotate guys that have just one skill set, you are literally telling the offense exactly what you want to do on defense. Washington will play multiple downs and not just passing downs. Not doing that is a terrible idea. He may rotate with Kyle in order to stay fresh, but Ryan's defense does not give away where the pass rush is going to come from by rotating a guy in that specializes in that very role. Unless of course he rotates in as a decoy and an overload blitz comes from the other side of the defense.

 

Remember that the Ryan defense is designed to keep the offense guessing. Washington will be required to play multiple roles. You can bank on that. That being said though, yes he will also be given opportunities to rush the passer. Just not as a situational(3rd down) rusher.

& yet it is something that all teams do. If you don't expect situational substitutions you will be disappointed. If Rex does not use situational substitutions on both offense and defense then we will all be disappointed.

[Rockinon]

& yet it is something that all teams do. If you don't expect situational substitutions you will be disappointed. If Rex does not use situational substitutions on both offense and defense then we will all be disappointed.

True, but I am trying to prevent people from pigeon-holing our new recruits. We need to give them an opportunity to grow and not just say this is what he does and leave it at that. I'm also trying to get people to think of other possibilities. Gotta keep it interesting. Can't have the board turning dull, unimaginative and boring.

[3rdand12]

True, but I am trying to prevent people from pigeon-holing our new recruits. We need to give them an opportunity to grow and not just say this is what he does and leave it at that. I'm also trying to get people to think of other possibilities. Gotta keep it interesting. Can't have the board turning dull, unimaginative and boring.

One of the things Whaley and Rex have is flexibility on the line with Kyle and Dareus and now S Lawson and Washington. So I would like to think the main reason to get them off the field would be to give a breather to.

It might take some time for Wash and Lawson to get dialed in. But they both have enough potential for 3 downs and situational football.

so i agree, don't pigeon hole any of them at this point.

[NoSaint]

True, but I am trying to prevent people from pigeon-holing our new recruits. We need to give them an opportunity to grow and not just say this is what he does and leave it at that. I'm also trying to get people to think of other possibilities. Gotta keep it interesting. Can't have the board turning dull, unimaginative and boring.

A lot of times how they grow is getting those reps playing to their strengths while they get used to the speed/athleticism

[Webster Guy]

There isn't a single team in the league that added 3 starters on defense in a single draft, and that includes us, regardless of Whaley's statement.

 

Adolphus has never played a single snap against an NFL lineman, and judging things like leverage and pad level are meaningless against college blockers.

 

It's why we have camp, and also why its impossible to make any type of meaningful analysis until the hitting starts.

 

We got a runner, a backup qb, and 3 defensive players that are locks to make the team. That's pretty awesome, and thats about all we know at this point.

 

Listenbee might crack the top 53, but if he doesn't, keep in mind how many 6th round WR's ever do.

[Xanthos]

What did 'they' say about Kyle when he was drafted?

http://www.scout.com/nfl/story/462369-nfl-draft-scouting-report-kyle-williams

Full Name: Kyle Williams School: LSU

Ht: 6-1 Wt: 295 40: 5.25 Yr: 4Sr

Pos: Hard working, scrappy defender who plays with good fundametals. Quick off the snap, gets leverage on opponents and displays solid hand technique. Tenacious, goes hard until the whistle blows and chases to get involved in the action. Displays an array of moves getting off blocks. Makes plays laterally up and down the line of scrimmage.

Neg: Not strong at the point and driven off the ball by opponents. Marginal skills as a pass rusher.

Analysis: A high revving defender, Williams' ability to get leverage on opponents gives him an upper hand. May never be a starter at the next level yet his tenacity and approach to the game will find him a spot on an NFL roster.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Xanthos

[YoloinOhio]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/story/462369-nfl-draft-scouting-report-kyle-williams

 

Full Name: Kyle Williams School: LSU

Ht: 6-1 Wt: 295 40: 5.25 Yr: 4Sr

Pos: Hard working, scrappy defender who plays with good fundametals. Quick off the snap, gets leverage on opponents and displays solid hand technique. Tenacious, goes hard until the whistle blows and chases to get involved in the action. Displays an array of moves getting off blocks. Makes plays laterally up and down the line of scrimmage.

Neg: Not strong at the point and driven off the ball by opponents. Marginal skills as a pass rusher.

Analysis: A high revving defender, Williams' ability to get leverage on opponents gives him an upper hand. May never be a starter at the next level yet his tenacity and approach to the game will find him a spot on an NFL roster.

nice! I'd say he found a spot on an NFL roster alright. Edited May 15, 2016 by YoloinOhio

[Mark Vader]

nice! I'd say he found a spot on an NFL roster alright.

Yes, he did.

 

Yolo, since you are a Buckeyes fan, what is your take on this assessment of Washington?

[Mr. WEO]

I'm ok with a mid round pick being a situational pass rusher. That's an important role.

 

Full time starter would be great but as settling goes I'm ok with that option

 

Day one starter

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I think this line of thought often gets lost in the typical post draft exuberance. People see nothing but upside as they learn about the players their team drafted and get emotionally attached to them. But the draft usually progresses from getting guys you expect to help in major roles to guys you expect to help in lesser roles to guys you don't count on, but who have traits that could push them into one of the first two categories. The 4th round is not a bad place to get a player from that second category and situational pass rushers on the DL are important to every team.

 

? Wasn't Adolphus Washington our 3rd round pick? Cardale Jones in the 4th?

[YoloinOhio]

Yes, he did.

 

Yolo, since you are a Buckeyes fan, what is your take on this assessment of Washington?

i talked a lot about him in the original Adolphus thread. I think he will be a good to great pass rusher in the NFL. The OSU defense was really built to stop the passing game. Their LBs were good against the run but if even one went out it was obvious. Adolphus eats QBs, that's what he does. He's the prototypical 5-technique with his size. He will need to get a little better against the run to play 3-4 DE but with all the sub packages, as a rotational pass rusher and perhaps eventual replacement for Kyle, he's a strong pick in the 3rd. He will need some development as all rookies do, very few walk on the field a finished product as a rookie. People forget he was a 1st team all American, though. He's a good player and I think a good fit for our scheme. Edited May 15, 2016 by YoloinOhio

[Buffalo Barbarian]

 

This guy seems to be in love with the PJ Olympics for evaluating a player. I don't watch enough college football to have any worthwhile opinion on the critique of his technique and his pad level.

It does seem clear he's not a prototypical NT, which is one thing I personally thought Rex needed/wanted.

 

 

Whatever the fluff about Rex's scheme may be, it seems most closely to align with a 3-4, in which case, wouldn't it be a NT not a RT that we need? And it seems clear that this guy is NOT a NT.

But Rex has his own ideas about what he needs, and was clearly given priority to acquire them. If the D lays an egg again this year, it will be on the Ryan Bros.

 

could use a true NT but they are going the way of the FB so not a huge need. I Don't know why they picked Washington he seems very weak and like to get overwhelmed in the NFL, hopefully he overcomes this but I would have went with Matt Ioanidas who would make a great 5tech DE.

[todd]

The thing to remember is that he's a 3RD ROUND PICK!!!! I think you draft for potential 3 years down the road in the 3rd and below. Each round you need to afford more risk, and draft for long-term upside because that's how you have to look at those players. Obsessing over taking a DL over an OL in the 3rd round because it was an immediate need is absolutely insane. Chill, dude.

[John from Riverside]

 

Day one starter

WEO

 

In all seriousness.....wtf do you expect him to say?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

The guy will be a star in the NFL . Pads not An issue, the guy is like 6 ft 7 or so. Fast and big are good

 

? 6'4", 295 lbs?

[Wagon Circler]

Anyone further interested in being depressed should read the Buffalo Rumblings post-draft scouting report on Washington. It appears well-researched and is pretty negative. Sorry Doug, no day one starter here. Situational pass rusher which is ok, we needed that too. But everyone should temper their enthusiasm on this guy,