Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 "Right Now I think Washington is a situational pass rusher with limited upside and only a small chance of ever developing into a full time starter. His technique and pad level are poor, he lacks significant anchor at the line of scrimmage, and his hand usage is really disappointing for a player with his experience. The combine revealed that Washington is not the elite athlete we hoped he was, as the lineman tested in the 20th percentile in every athletic exercise except the 40 yard dash." http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/03/07/2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-ohio-state-dt-adolphus-washington/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) It's an accurate one for who he was at OSU. Thankfully, I think some of his issues are things that are coachable. Get his conditioning right, that solves a lot. Not every guy strikes a balance in college between preparation and studying. The good news with his athletic testing is that he tested similarly to Cedric Thornton. It took Thornton a couple of years to crack the rotation in Philly but he's been a productive run defender if nothing else. It shouldn't preclude Washington from being an effective part of the Bills DL. I see the logic behind the pick (and obviously John Blake loves the guy). I just think if you're going for a 3-Tech hoping to teach him 5-Tech, Javon Hargrave was a better prospect to go after. Edited May 14, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 14, 2016 Author Share Posted May 14, 2016 It's an accurate one for who he was at OSU. Thankfully, I think some of his issues are things that are coachable. Get his conditioning right, that solves a lot. Not every guy strikes a balance in college between preparation and studying. The good news with his athletic testing is that he tested similarly to Cedric Thornton. It took Thornton a couple of years to crack the rotation in Philly but he's been a productive run defender if nothing else. It shouldn't preclude Washington from being an effective part of the Bills DL. I see the logic behind the pick (and obviously John Blake loves the guy). I just think if you're going for a 3-Tech hoping to teach him 5-Tech, Javon Hargrave was a better prospect to go after. I don't see the logic when we REALLY need a RT and there were better DT's available. I bet Zimmer ends ups better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 And Mel Kiper thought Ron Darby was a 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Ok, so he has trouble holding up when two 300+ guys are blocking him at the same time? I can see that and understand the plight. His balance does seem to be off on occasion, but it almost seemed like he was worried about his legs getting rolled up or pinned. Could it be the thought of getting injured in the back of his mind before getting to the Pro level? Who knows. His abilities against the run seem to be more of a technique issue than an inability. Balance, those initial movements off of the snap, getting in there with our strength and conditioning team, all these things can be coached or worked upon. What you can't teach is the natural ability to get after a QB from the interior and he's got that. I think he landed in a great spot with Kyle and Marcell to take him under their wing. Adolphus will be a solid contributor on the DL at the least and has the potential to be much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I'm ok with a mid round pick being a situational pass rusher. That's an important role. Full time starter would be great but as settling goes I'm ok with that option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I don't see the logic when we REALLY need a RT and there were better DT's available. I bet Zimmer ends ups better than him. The logic (as I look at it) follows what I've said for a while. The DT pick should've been a 3-Tech capable player given the amount of time spent in sub packages. Washington is that, not that I particularly like him. I don't think the value at RT really matched up at any point in the draft. After Decker went early, there were maybe 2-3 guys in the rest of the class that served a purpose with value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) He is supposed to be a disruptor to get pressure right up the middle on passing downs. Based on the drafting record of Whaley and the hit/miss percentage he has, which has to be among the best in the NFL, I'll always err on the side of Whaley until proven otherwise. And if it is a miss, it's a miss...it happens, look at how many misses other teams have had over the last 3 years Edited May 14, 2016 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I just want to know if he has a lunch pail, like 3rd round OSU DT picks of yore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) What did 'they' say about Kyle when he was drafted? and if the Underwear Olympics changed this authors opinion on Washington, that makes me less interested in the authors opinion. Edited May 14, 2016 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) He shows an assortment of pass rushing moves. Great feet and balance for a man his size. I saw him contributing in our 3rd down package year one with upside to maybe get some more reps on non passing downs and progress into a potential every down player as time elapsed. I was thinking DE all the way as I don't see him being the type of guy to anchor as a 3-4 NT. When Whaley said "we drafted 3 day one starters" sort of caught me by surprise. Then again, he could be talking rotational starters. With our DL you have several players who could line up at End or NT. Dareus and Williams have both done the 3-4 DT/DE shuffle. On pass rushing downs specifically, you could have Adolphus/Dareus/Williams interchangeable across the entire DL. I expect we will see Rex take advantage of that. We have tons of flexibility with our roster on the defensive side. Edited May 14, 2016 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I’m surprised to see Washington’s technique and pad level described as “poor.” His d-line in college was uniformly praised for hands and leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 He shows an assortment of pass rushing moves. Great feet and balance for a man his size. I saw him contributing in our 3rd down package year one with upside to maybe get some more reps on non passing downs and progress into a potential every down player as time elapsed. I was thinking DE all the way as I don't see him being the type of guy to anchor as a 3-4 NT. When Whaley said "we drafted 3 day one starters" sort of caught me by surprise. Then again, he could be talking rotational starters. With our DL you have several players who could line up at End or NT. Dareus and Williams have both done the 3-4 DT/DE shuffle. On pass rushing downs specifically, you could have Adolphus/Dareus/Williams interchangeable across the entire DL. I expect we will see Rex take advantage of that. We have tons of flexibility with our roster on the defensive side. this , along with what was mentioned by H2o upstream. being mentored by two pro bowlers should accelerate his growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 To me that's just tearing down a guy by cherry picking anything bad and nothing good. Kinda what Gruden did with Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 To me that's just tearing down a guy by cherry picking anything bad and nothing good. Kinda what Gruden did with Shaq. I think Jon Ledyard is better than that. There's a lot of bad tape out there from Adolphus. It's not really cherry picking as much as highlighting a continuous issue that adversely affects his chances of succeeding. I decided not to write him up because my notes on him were brutal at times, it felt like I would've been sticking the boot in on him. Jon doesn't bite his tongue when he dislikes a prospect. I found that out when we spoke about the likes of Jerald Hawkins. It's hard to write nice things about someone you dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Could someone refresh my memory....what round was Kyle WIlliams drafted? WHen I watched Washington's tape the thing that suck out to me is I really wanted him to be a better run stop guy then he showed on tape......for his size he should be a monster. but He does get after the passer.....which to me means he does something well and the run defense can be coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I'm sure, like me, you've read or seen several reports on the Bills draftees, and they're all over the place, particularly on Washington, Seymour and Williams. Last year they were scratching their heads over Darby and Karlos. Turned out fine in my book. So if these self-anointed "experts" disagree so much, I think I'll just leave my trust in Whaley & Co. And, FTR, do not underestimate the value of Blake's involvement with both Washington and Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I think Jon Ledyard is better than that. There's a lot of bad tape out there from Adolphus. It's not really cherry picking as much as highlighting a continuous issue that adversely affects his chances of succeeding. I decided not to write him up because my notes on him were brutal at times, it felt like I would've been sticking the boot in on him. Jon doesn't bite his tongue when he dislikes a prospect. I found that out when we spoke about the likes of Jerald Hawkins. It's hard to write nice things about someone you dislike. ledyard is pretty good. I think Bills see something very coachable. has flexibility on the line. But surely they know Adolphus will need plenty of time with Blake. Worth the shot imo. ps i was surprised at the pick at that time To me that's just tearing down a guy by cherry picking anything bad and nothing good. Kinda what Gruden did with Shaq. Gotta take the good with the bad. Makes us more aware when watching these guys play ball. I had read, very good hands and poor leverage against the run. i think that is a brief but balanced perception pre draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Not to mention that his name sounds a little too much like the fla team we dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 ledyard is pretty good. I think Bills see something very coachable. has flexibility on the line. But surely they know Adolphus will need plenty of time with Blake. Worth the shot imo. ps i was surprised at the pick at that time I'm willing to give them time to work on him. I don't know the guy, his work ethic, practice habits. The Bills are more informed on if he's coachable than I am. When a DL coach likes someone, I do wonder if it's because they have an ego moment to think they can rescue him. Instant reaction to the pick for me was laughter. After Lawson/Ragland, I knew I had to disagree with a pick at some point. I can only hope my thoughts on him were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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