Obama's Foreign Policy

[Deranged Rhino]

So, no proof?

 

I've provided plenty. But like I said, I can't help a guy who's determined to turn his brain off in light of facts.

[Magox]

Well, then show us the proof, tin foiled conspiracy nut.

[Deranged Rhino]

Well, then show us the proof, tin foiled conspiracy nut.

 

If you're looking for your balls, they're where ever you left your brain.

 

Probably up thread where I posted a dozen or so links.

 

Now, go back to your regularly scheduled program of running away from the question you've been dodging for three days now.

[Magox]

Sooo? What you are saying is that you're a tin foiled conspiracy nut?

[Deranged Rhino]

Sooo? What you are saying is that you're a tin foiled conspiracy nut?

 

Nope. I'm saying you're an intellectually dishonest and partisan hack who has only proven his own ignorance in these two threads. It's fun for me to watch you self destruct.

 

Mags is now at Gatorman level stupidity. So desperate to avoid answering the question he promised he would get to (days ago), he's trolling himself now. It's hilarious.

[Magox]

[Deranged Rhino]

So much false bravado for someone so scared of a simple question.

 

I must be on to something.

 

Or you're overcompensating for something else... is everything okay in Mags' life? It's a safe place. Please share with the class.

[Magox]

[Deranged Rhino]

I will get to that, I promise...

 

But we won't because you think calling me a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist is a put down. Coming from someone as woefully misinformed as you are on this topic, I assure you it's a compliment.

[Magox]

Good, take it as a compliment, tinfoil nut.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

I will get to that, I promise...

 

So much anger, so much ignorance, and endless cowardice.

[Magox]

Says the tin foiled nut

[Deranged Rhino]

More empty words. Like these:

 

I will get to that, I promise...

 

[Magox]

 

We're supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda fighters in Syria to be our proxies against Russian and Assad forces. That's a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

I always told myself to never engage with tinfoil nuts, because the arguments take place on two separate planes and here I am being sucked into it with King tinfoil

[Deranged Rhino]

 

I always told myself to never engage with tinfoil nuts, because the arguments take place on two separate planes and here I am being sucked into it with King tinfoil

 

You should have listened to your own advice, you're getting your ass handed to you by someone you consider a nut because you just keep lying and changing topics... what does that say about you?

 

Only someone who's not paying attention denies Syria is indeed a proxy war between several nations -- including US vs Russia. Since you associate a known cut-out as being synonymous with a journalist, you've already proven that you're not a serious person when it comes to talking about these matters. The fact you just keep running from the actual meat of the conversation only further proves this point. You've got nothing to say on this topic, so you should just admit you're wrong and walk away.

 

But you won't. Because America is great and never does anything wrong or morally questionable. And even if it did it's not our place as citizens to question the actions of our government because that's the same thing as supporting Assad or Putin. Great logic.

 

All of this nonsense you're spewing today is just an attempt to run from your earlier words. It's clear as day. You're clearly afraid to answer or you're just not a man who keeps his word.

 

The dishonesty runs nearly as deep as the jingoism.

 

 

I will get to that, I promise...

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Russia has again shown that it's always one step ahead of the US in Syria

 

Russia deployed S-300 surface-to-air missiles to Syria's western coast on Tuesday in a move apparently aimed at preempting possible US airstrikes on Syrian army positions.

The move came in response to reports published earlier this week that Washington was considering targeting forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad, and it was followed closely by a thinly veiled threat that the missiles' radius could be "a surprise" to all unidentified flying objects operating in Syria.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-warns-us-syria-warplanes-2016-10

[Deranged Rhino]

New ‘Group Think’ for War with Syria/Russia

 

Not since the eve of the U.S. invasion of Iraq has Official Washington’s political/punditry class clamored more single-mindedly – and openly – for the U.S. government to commit a gross violation of international law, now urging a major military assault on the government of Syria while also escalating tensions with nuclear-armed Russia.

And, like the frenzied war fever of 2002-2003, today’s lawless consensus is operating on a mix of selective, dubious and false information – while excluding from the public debate voices that might dare challenge the prevailing “group think.” It’s as if nothing was learned from the previous disaster in Iraq.

Most notably, there are two key facts about Syria that Americans are not being told: one, U.S. regional “allies” have been funding and arming radical jihadist groups, including Al Qaeda terrorists, there almost since the conflict began in 2011 and, two, the claim about “moderate” Syrian rebels is a fraud; the “moderates” have served essentially as a P.R. cut-out for the U.S. and its “allies” to supply Al Qaeda and its allies with sophisticated weapons while pretending not to.

For Americans who may find those two points hard to believe, they should remember that the United States and Saudi Arabia went in 50/50 with billions of dollars to finance the jihadist mujahedeen in Afghanistan in the 1980s, viewing these religious fanatics as a useful “tip of the spear” to kill Soviet troops who were defending the leftist secular regime then governing in Kabul.

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This more complex reality is completely missing in the new round of political/press hysteria in the United States. The neocons and their liberal-hawk sidekicks only talk about stopping the “barbarism” of the Syrian government and its Russian allies as they try to finally wipe out Al Qaeda’s jihadists and their “moderate” allies holed up in eastern Aleppo.

Many of these calls for a U.S. military intervention against the Syrian government (and the Russians) are coming from the same advocates for war who created the misguided consensus for invading Iraq in 2002-2003, voices such as Sen. John McCain, Washington Post editorial-page editor Fred Hiatt, and New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman. And, much like the Iraq example, these esteemed opinion-leaders pile up their propaganda arguments in a one-sided fashion designed to silence the few voices that dare raise doubts.

This new “group think” has prevented Americans from looking at the Syrian situation with more nuance and objectivity. Indeed, if you mix in some of the other facts, the on-the-ground reality could be seen as the U.S. and its “allies” stoking the fire in Syria for five years and, now, as the Syrian military and Russian air power take drastic measures to finally get the blaze under some control, the U.S. government may bomb the firefighters and destroy their equipment.

Beyond the illegality of that action, how the U.S. military intervention is supposed to fix things in Syria is never discussed. By strengthening Al Qaeda and its “moderate” front men, the prospects for a longer and bloodier conflict are increased, not decreased.

The long-held neocon dream of a Syrian “regime change” – even if it could be accomplished – would only open the gates of Damascus to a victory by Al Qaeda and/or its spinoff, the Islamic State. How that would make life better for the Syrian people is another never addressed question. There is simply the pretense that somehow, magically, the “moderate” rebels would prevail, though they are only an auxiliary to Al Qaeda’s Syrian franchise.

The “group think” also doesn’t permit in the inconvenient truth that the recent collapse of the U.S.-Russia limited cease-fire was driven by the fact that the “moderate” rebels are so intertwined with Al Qaeda’s Nusra Front – which recently underwent a cosmetic name change to the Levant (or Syria) Conquest Front – that the rebels can’t or won’t separate themselves.

The New York Times, The Washington Post and other mainstream news outlets have sought to bury this reality because it doesn’t fit the preferred narrative of the U.S. fulfilling its commitments under the partial cease-fire agreement and blaming its collapse entirely on the Russians and their dastardly behavior.

One outlier in this propaganda barrage, ironically, has been Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal, whichpublished a serious article on this key topic on Sept. 29. It said, “Some of Syria’s largest rebel factions are doubling down on their alliance with an al Qaeda-linked group, despite a U.S. warning to split from the extremists or risk being targeted in airstrikes.

“The rebel gambit is complicating American counterterrorism efforts in the country at a time the U.S. is contemplating cooperation with Russia to fight extremist groups. It comes after a U.S.-Russia-brokered cease-fire collapsed last week and the Syrian regime and its Russian allies immediately unleashed a devastating offensive against rebel-held parts of Aleppo city that brought harsh international condemnation. …

“The two powers have been considering jointly targeting Islamic State and the Syria Conquest Front — formerly known as the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front — a group that is deeply intermingled with armed opposition groups of all stripes across Syria’s battlefields. The U.S. has also threatened to attack any rebels providing front-line support to the group. …

“Some rebel groups already aligned with Syria Conquest Front responded by renewing their alliance. But others, such as Nour al-Din al-Zinki, a former Central Intelligence Agency-backed group and one of the largest factions in Aleppo, said in recent days that they were joining a broader alliance that is dominated by the Front. A second, smaller rebel group also joined that alliance, which is known as Jaish al-Fateh and includes another major Islamist rebel force, Ahrar al-Sham. …

“In a call with Mr. Kerry on Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Syrian rebels ‘refused to follow the U.S.-Russian agreement…but instead merged with [Nusra Front].’”

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Blaming Russia for Everything

But Friedman just plunges ahead, also asserting that on Sept. 19, Russia bombed a U.N. relief convoy heading for Aleppo. In this case, Friedman cites U.S. intelligence officials who say that “almost certainly” Russia did it, although I had been told that some CIA analysts feared the attack was launched by Al Qaeda’s chief Syrian ally, Ahrar al-Sham, using a U.S.-made TOW missile. The United Nations also withdrew its initial assertion that the attack was an airstrike (although Friedman leaves that fact out, too).

This is not to say that the Russians are innocent in these terrible incidents. Further evidence might convincingly prove that they are guilty – and, if they are, accountability should be assessed as appropriate. Horrible errors happen in war, such as the U.S. airstrike that killed some 62 Syrian soldiersin eastern Syria on Sept. 17 as they were fighting off an attack by Islamic State militants.

The problem with propagandists like Friedman is that they ignore the illegal actions of the United States, including mounting military attacks on countries without United Nations’ authority or without the justification of self-defense, in other words, outside the realm of international law. It’s also illegal to supply weapons to terrorists, as has been occurring in Syria both directly by Saudi Arabia and other U.S. “allies” and indirectly by U.S. covert operations giving arms to “moderates” who then turn them over to Al Qaeda.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/10/new-group-think-war-syriarussia.html

By way of: https://consortiumnews.com/

[meazza]

DR you know I think you're cool and all but the fact that you think you're winning in this debate is sad.

[ALF]

Good find DR , Syria is getting very serious

 

If the so called rebels won , genocide like never before could happen there. They must be getting massive support from Saudi Arabia to take on Assad and Russia for this long.

 

Turkey going from moderate, secular to the opposite is another disaster . JMO

 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/10/new-group-think-war-syriarussia.html

[Nanker]

Good find DR , Syria is getting very serious

 

If the so called rebels won , genocide like never before could happen there. They must be getting massive support from Saudi Arabia to take on Assad and Russia for this long.

 

Turkey going from moderate, secular to the opposite is another disaster . JMO

 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/10/new-group-think-war-syriarussia.html

Au contraire, mon ami!

Those are Obama cornerstone foreign policy wins. Besides they're all George Bush's fault.