Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 Dave Lee is a HORRIBLE quarterbacks coach... I'm no fan of Whitfield's, but Lee is an absolute HACK.... Pennington... Fitz.... Geno.... Plus some of the other names mentioned in this thread... None of whom really stand out as success stories... Under Lee the Ole Miss program stagnated in 2011, racking up just 2 wins on the season and ZERO conquests in the SEC... IMO he is strichnine to young QB's and should be replaced. Now, for the good news: Cardale Jones has a stronger personality, and will to win than ANY of the aforementioned QB's.... Perhaps even strong enough to overcome the lousy coaching he'll no doubt receive from this staff... It's his greatest asset.... As far as someone who should be mentoring young Cardale (and EJ, and Tyrod) -My pick is none other than David Garrard... A veteran who's had some notable success, and some disappointing failures... Not exactly a stellar career, but Garrard was a wily vet who made A LOT of plays when it mattered most... He also knew how to put together a decent drive. I'd fire Lee tomorrow, if I could. Really? Didn't Jones get benched after halfway through the season last year at OSU?
#34fan Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 Really? Didn't Jones get benched after halfway through the season last year at OSU? Which means what exactly?... Peyton frickin' Manning also got benched last season.
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 Which means what exactly?... Peyton frickin' Manning also got benched last season. Wow. Are you really going to compare a first ballot HOF QB's temporary benching at age 39 with a kid who, 7 games into his only season as a college football starting QB, was benched for the rest of the season? Do you really have to be walked through this? The kid is a raw talent. Leave it at that, no need for the whacky hyperbole.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 I saw a terrific leader on the field with David Garrard... He also posessed a similar skill set to ALL our current QB's... Strong-armed, Mobile and Athletic... TWO things impressed me most about Garrard... One was his incredible field vision... The guy made fabulous throws, and extended plays on a rather routine basis... Even with the miserable O-lines he had at spots in his carreer... The second thing I like about Garrard was that he did not shrink away in big games.. He typically played the Colts tough, and was a headache to contain even for good defenses... Upon retirement, Garrard was actually offered a coaching internship with the Jets, who wanted him in position where he could mentor Geno... This, by the way, happened under Dave Lee's tenure with NYJ. Bottom line: The insight of someone who actually played, and succeeded at the position can't be substituted. Not even with the best of coaches... As important as footwork is, It's also critical for rookies to grasp thought process, and preparation... I've never seen a superbowl won purely on great mechanics. As far as Lee goes, I'm not buying in... There's just very little evidence of him being able to deliver a high-grade product at QB... After 39 years of coaching, there should be... And YES, as the OC of the 2011 Ole Mis Rebels, he's responsible for them being outscored 110 to 13 in their final 3 games... Let him stay, if you want... But bring in Garrard, as a vet these kids can actually learn from. So Garrard was a good QB, a gamer. I agree, he was a good QB, I thought he was underrated as a QB and it was tough luck to have his career end with injuries. But that's not evidence that he'd be a good or great teacher/mentor/coach. That Garrard was offered a coaching internship, is evidence of promise, though apparently he didn't take it? which would be evidence that he's not interested in coaching. And interest/dedication is the first prerequisite. So if Garrard doesn't have interest, there would be little point to "bringing him in" I hear you on "not buying in" to Lee and little evidence. As I said earlier, I have a level of skepticism about him based on my perception that Fitz regressed under Lee's tutelage. But your original contention was that he was a "HORRIBLE" QB coach. What is your evidence for the HORROR? "Let him stay, if you want".....what I want is immaterial. He's Rex's boy and Rex seems loyal to his boys.
#34fan Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 Wow. Are you really going to compare a first ballot HOF QB's temporary benching at age 39 with a kid who, 7 games into his only season as a college football starting QB, was benched for the rest of the season? Do you really have to be walked through this? The kid is a raw talent. Leave it at that, no need for the whacky hyperbole. LOL! -The point, which you clearly missed, is that personnel decisions are made all the time, in every team sport... Questioning a player's drive based on ONE seems a bit lazy... -Even for you. How's that for a walk-thru?
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 LOL! -The point, which you clearly missed, is that personnel decisions are made all the time, in every team sport... Questioning a player's drive based on ONE seems a bit lazy... -Even for you. How's that for a walk-thru? What I expected....changing your argument to "hey, this stuff happens", as though there is no context to be considered at all. "LOL", indeed. Your claim that Jones's "drive to win" exceeds that of Fitz, etc, lacks any evidence that you have given so far. The kid stepped in at the end of a magical season, led them to a championship. But by 2/3 of the way into his only season as started, he was ineffectual. He would never take another snap under center. Manning has forgotten more football than this kid will ever learn--he was replaced because he was physically broken down. Then Elway figured it was time to get him back in there to ride that defense.
Saxum Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 I'd fire Lee tomorrow, if I could. Sure I'd take your advice if you show a track record better than Lee....
3rdand12 Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 Sure I'd take your advice if you show a track record better than Lee.... he has the second best avatar !! He stays on the Team. look how fresh that celery is!!
#34fan Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) So Garrard was a good QB, a gamer. I agree, he was a good QB, I thought he was underrated as a QB and it was tough luck to have his career end with injuries. But that's not evidence that he'd be a good or great teacher/mentor/coach. That Garrard was offered a coaching internship, is evidence of promise, though apparently he didn't take it? which would be evidence that he's not interested in coaching. And interest/dedication is the first prerequisite. So if Garrard doesn't have interest, there would be little point to "bringing him in" I hear you on "not buying in" to Lee and little evidence. As I said earlier, I have a level of skepticism about him based on my perception that Fitz regressed under Lee's tutelage. But your original contention was that he was a "HORRIBLE" QB coach. What is your evidence for the HORROR? "Let him stay, if you want".....what I want is immaterial. He's Rex's boy and Rex seems loyal to his boys. In a perfect world, it wouldn't be about what anyone wants, but rather what's best for the young QB's on our roster... And "horrible" is a relative term that doesn't have to imply the "fear" associated with the word "horror" as much as it would refer to something undesirable, detrimental, or very poor in quality. The fact is, Rex and Co. saw fit to call on Garrard's expertise once before... I don't know why Garrard passed on the chance... However, with all his health issues, it may be more complicated that him simply not 'wanting to'... Which could be the case as well. Still, It Couldn't hurt to ask... I want to be clear when I say that I believe Jones to be the best starting prospect we've had here in at least 15 years... He has the potential to better than anyone we've had here since the awful Brady era began. I hear this stuff about him being "Raw" and "Not ready" and I can't disagree totally... What I can say with great certainty is that IF we can find the staff to help this kid out, he could be a phenomenon in how quickly he translates the game... Cardale Jones is something different... A unque talent that I'd rather not see squandered by poor coaching. Edited May 15, 2016 by #34fan
#34fan Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 What I expected....changing your argument to "hey, this stuff happens", as though there is no context to be considered at all. "LOL", indeed. Your claim that Jones's "drive to win" exceeds that of Fitz, etc, lacks any evidence that you have given so far. The kid stepped in at the end of a magical season, led them to a championship. But by 2/3 of the way into his only season as started, he was ineffectual. He would never take another snap under center. Manning has forgotten more football than this kid will ever learn--he was replaced because he was physically broken down. Then Elway figured it was time to get him back in there to ride that defense. Sorry. Just seems nutty to equate being benched as a collegiate athlete, to lacking the drive to win... Especially if the guy in question never loses a start, and won a championship the year before as a third stringer. -Explain your conclusion.
#34fan Posted May 15, 2016 Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Sure I'd take your advice if you show a track record better than Lee.... Therein lies the problem... Dave Lee has bounced around various organizations for forty years... Cutting him loose with such a long resume just doesn't look right. "The middle" in this discussion would be to bring in a Veteran (David Garrard) who utilized a skill set comparable to the QB's we have on our roster... Have him work directly with the QB's on the "real-time" aspect of the game.( i.e. What to do when a play breaks down, how to adjust to different blitz packages, situational awareness, -down and distance.) What good is a perfect three-step drop if you can't figure anything else out? Edited May 15, 2016 by #34fan
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