FireChan Posted May 8, 2016 Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) Five. Actually seven. And how many games did they play/earn their pay for? Edited May 8, 2016 by FireChan
Doc Posted May 8, 2016 Posted May 8, 2016 Actually seven. And how many games did they play/earn their pay for? Actually 8 if you want to count DuJuan Harris' 2 games. But I chose RB's who played at least half the season, which discounts Charles and Bell (who played in 5 and 6 games, respectively). As for the others, Forte and Gurley played in 13 games, Freeman played in 15, and Martin and Peterson played in all 16.
truth on hold Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 Negative vakue to the tune of millions a year...as it would cost millions less to find a replacement for his production
The Big Cat Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 Negative vakue to the tune of millions a year...as it would cost millions less to find a replacement for his production Which is like saying my job is a complete waste of time so long as I could simply plant a money tree in my back yard.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 @theMMQB It’s a very running back show this week. @Andy_Benoit & @GGramling_SI rank the top 15 RBs: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/11/nfl-running-back-rankings-adrian-peterson-leveon-bell-todd-gurley
26CornerBlitz Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 @theMMQB It’s a very running back show this week. @Andy_Benoit & @GGramling_SI rank the top 15 RBs: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/11/nfl-running-back-rankings-adrian-peterson-leveon-bell-todd-gurley The SI guys have Shady tied for 4th best NFL RB with Jamaal Charles.
BADOLBILZ Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 If contributing almost 100 yards a game from scrimmage despite being injured and having a lousy right side of an OL is "regressing towards the mean..." You are aware that the team lead the NFL in rushing.......and he was the least productive of the regular ball carriers in terms of not only yard per carry but also big plays and TD's? By a lot. And the rest of the ball carriers played behind "a lousy right side of an OL" as well. Karlos, Gillislee......even Tyrod had more big runs than McCoy. It's interesting how fans don't see that McCoy gravitates to the sideline and turns a dynamic run offense into a struggle for small chunks while at the same time not leaving a physical impact in his wake. When running games dominated the league you used to have big backs that physically paved the way for faster/quicker backs to make plays against a tired defense later in the game. McCoy is basically doing the opposite and BLOCKING the way to bigger plays. And what's worse is that it's mostly his decision. This rush offense is back friendly....if a street free agent like MG can do it......I mean, wtf? There is a reason why the overhyped McCoy has hovered around the league average ypa in 3 of the last 4 years........his reputation as a dynamic back is not statistically supported. He just is what he is.......and that's not mere cliche......it sums him up. Give him 200 carries in a mediocre rush offense and he'll run for 800-900 yards and not put the ball in the end zone. Give him 200 carries in a well designed and executed run offense......he'll still run for 800-900 yards and not put the ball in the end zone. Because he does what he wants to do......not what the offense asks of him. The SI guys have Shady tied for 4th best NFL RB with Jamaal Charles. One had him 3rd, another 7th and another 9th. So I guess that's 4th? Most interesting part about that podcast was them talking about how Thomas Rawls didn't run out of bounds once. While I don't know if that is true or not having not seen all of his carries.......that makes him the anti-Shady and perhaps the quintessential full-impact vs. production RB. Verus Shady.......the quintessential hollow impact RB. The big takeaway from it all though is that the top RB's are a grab bag from all areas of the draft and many pay levels. RB's aren't a dime a dozen anymore because much of that talent has moved to the defensive side of the ball but they are still cheap and easy to find. Overpaying/overdrafting for less than truly extraordinary is foolishness.
Doc Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 There's a huge difference between producing when you're the backup and when you're called upon to shoulder the load. Take a look at the games in which Karlos or MG were asked to start and/or carry the ball a majority of the time, and you'll see some of their worst games. Me, I'll wait to see what a healthy Shady looks like this year and whether Karlos and MG can continue to produce. Same goes for Rawls who couldn't even stay healthy his rookie season. As for Shady not seeing the endzone . Double for the "they are still cheap and easy to find."
CommonCents Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 There's a huge difference between producing when you're the backup and when you're called upon to shoulder the load. Take a look at the games in which Karlos or MG were asked to start and/or carry the ball a majority of the time, and you'll see some of their worst games. Me, I'll wait to see what a healthy Shady looks like this year and whether Karlos and MG can continue to produce. Same goes for Rawls who couldn't even stay healthy his rookie season. As for Shady not seeing the endzone . Double for the "they are still cheap and easy to find." Rawls was tearing up the league before he hurt his ankle, he averaged 5.6 YPC and was doing it all in place of Lynch. No idea what your talking about? He got injured in a pile up which happens to the best of them. He had something like 9 touchdowns and only played in 12 games, started 6 of those. The hit was similar to the one Bell took from Burfict the way he peeled him back.
The Big Cat Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 Rawls was tearing up the league before he hurt his ankle, he averaged 5.6 YPC and was doing it all in place of Lynch. No idea what your talking about? He got injured in a pile up which happens to the best of them. He had something like 9 touchdowns and only played in 12 games, started 6 of those. The hit was similar to the one Bell took from Burfict the way he peeled him back. Picking on his example doesn't weaken his overall point.
Doc Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 Rawls was tearing up the league before he hurt his ankle, he averaged 5.6 YPC and was doing it all in place of Lynch. No idea what your talking about? He got injured in a pile up which happens to the best of them. He had something like 9 touchdowns and only played in 12 games, started 6 of those. The hit was similar to the one Bell took from Burfict the way he peeled him back. Put another way, give me more than an abbreviated season of performance before we can declare someone is as good or better than someone else. We'll see how Rawls does this season.
CommonCents Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 Picking on his example doesn't weaken his overall point. Well using a bad example, possibly the worst one possible certainly does not prove his point. I won't even need to see a heat map to confirm that. Rawls was a UDFA who tore up the league until he got hurt. Plenty of other back ups also contributed when star backs when down last year. West, Williams, Langford, David Johnson, Freeman/Coleman- Freeman was a 4th rounder. Plenty of other examples, I'm not going to go nuts digging them all up. McCoy does add value to the Bills but let's not act like he is our savior. He is a good RB who is playing on the back 9 of his career, his still runs hard and creates space for Taylor and company when he is healthy. He is also the best back in pass protection which is often overlooked. Whaley drafted a 5th round back this year, I'm sure after Shady is sent out to pasture they are looking to lessen the money they are allocating to the position.
The Big Cat Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 Well using a bad example, possibly the worst one possible certainly does not prove his point. I won't even need to see a heat map to confirm that. Rawls was a UDFA who tore up the league until he got hurt. Plenty of other back ups also contributed when star backs when down last year. West, Williams, Langford, David Johnson, Freeman/Coleman- Freeman was a 4th rounder. Plenty of other examples, I'm not going to go nuts digging them all up. McCoy does add value to the Bills but let's not act like he is our savior. He is a good RB who is playing on the back 9 of his career, his still runs hard and creates space for Taylor and company when he is healthy. He is also the best back in pass protection which is often overlooked. Whaley drafted a 5th round back this year, I'm sure after Shady is sent out to pasture they are looking to lessen the money they are allocating to the position. This will be McCoy's 8th year. Again. The math sure does slide to fit objectives. I agree, though: he's not perfect, and his contract is not ideal. But if you were to ask some here, that means he's lousy and we're getting ripped off. To me, we've successfully identified four things that are not true. Is, however, exceedingly above average and an indispensable part for our offense. And to Doc's point, which is correct, Karlos (presumably the Williams you're referring to) was very good when he didn't have the carry load himself. When he did, he wasn't. The same is true by an even greater magnitude for Gillislee. Can you find value in RB's late in the draft? Yep. Does that mean McCoy is not a top-5 back? Nope. Rip on the heat maps all you like. Dem ***** is sweet.
CommonCents Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 This will be McCoy's 8th year. Again. The math sure does slide to fit objectives. I agree, though: he's not perfect, and his contract is not ideal. But if you were to ask some here, that means he's lousy and we're getting ripped off. To me, we've successfully identified four things that are not true. Is, however, exceedingly above average and an indispensable part for our offense. And to Doc's point, which is correct, Karlos (presumably the Williams you're referring to) was very good when he didn't have the carry load himself. When he did, he wasn't. The same is true by an even greater magnitude for Gillislee. Can you find value in RB's late in the draft? Yep. Does that mean McCoy is not a top-5 back? Nope. Rip on the heat maps all you like. Dem ***** is sweet. I was just teasing about your maps haha. Yeah the contract is not perfect which doesn't hurt as much because we aren't paying a QB yet. I like how Seattle drafted that kid from Notre Dame in the 3rd- Prosise. Now their running back position accounts for a tiny percentage of the cap and they have two kids that they can run into the ground. I think Whaley is headed in that direction, he obviously sees something in Williams or he wouldn't have used the 5th he would have picked a UDFA.
The Big Cat Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 I was just teasing about your maps haha. Yeah the contract is not perfect which doesn't hurt as much because we aren't paying a QB yet. I like how Seattle drafted that kid from Notre Dame in the 3rd- Prosise. Now their running back position accounts for a tiny percentage of the cap and they have two kids that they can run into the ground. I think Whaley is headed in that direction, he obviously sees something in Williams or he wouldn't have used the 5th he would have picked a UDFA. McCoy is a luxury, to be sure. But he's a luxury we can easily afford so long as we're not paying a QB, so there's no sense in bitching about what we're paying him, IMO.
Doc Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 McCoy is a luxury, to be sure. But he's a luxury we can easily afford so long as we're not paying a QB, so there's no sense in bitching about what we're paying him, IMO. Yup. When you have a top-QB, you can, and sometimes have to, scrimp on RB's.
CommonCents Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 McCoy is a luxury, to be sure. But he's a luxury we can easily afford so long as we're not paying a QB, so there's no sense in bitching about what we're paying him, IMO. His contract dictates that he will be here for no less than two more full seasons, cheers to him staying healthy and being productive.
The Big Cat Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 Yup. When you have a top-QB, you can, and sometimes have to, scrimp on RB's. Right. Scrimp because you have to, and also scrimp because you can. We don't have an offense that moves through the QB. Which is good since we're not paying one. His contract dictates that he will be here for no less than two more full seasons, cheers to him staying healthy and being productive. I'll drink to that.
Doc Posted May 14, 2016 Posted May 14, 2016 Right. Scrimp because you have to, and also scrimp because you can. We don't have an offense that moves through the QB. Which is good since we're not paying one. Hopefully soon we will be. But only if he shows he's a franchise QB.
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