eball Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 I know there are some vociferous posters who really hate the deal the Bills signed Shady to after acquiring him from Philly. Per Spotrac, Shady's cap hit this season is 4.88% of the Bills' overall cap. My question for those who love, hate, or don't care about the contract is this -- is <5% of the team salary cap appropriate for a player of Shady's abilities? FYI, that ranks 4th on the roster, behind Dareus, Glenn, and Gilmore. Discuss.
Mark80 Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) When healthy he has just as much positive impact on our team as ANY other player. He is a phenomenal talent and if you can't see the difference between him and the vast majority of the other RBs in the league then you have simply convinced yourself that every RB is a dime a dozen and there is no convincing you otherwise. So, in short, I think he is worth it for sure. Edited May 3, 2016 by Mark80
Coach Tuesday Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 The Bills' roster and cap situation is rather unique in that it has a very low amount of $$ allocated to the QB position. So if you factor in the fact that Tyrod is playing for $1M or whatever, I think it justifies a higher-than-normal allocation of cap dollars to other positions, including running back. That said, putting aside his contract number, I question Shady's fit for Roman's offense. Seemed to me that Karlos and Gilleslee ran Roman's plays just as well, if not better than Shady. And I'm a HUGE fan of the Jon Williams pick and I think he too will thrive in Roman's offense. So I'm not sure we need Shady at all (I know it's sacrilege, but I'd much rather have a playmaking linebacker who can defend the pass well...)
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 What we say when he was healthy? Yes, absolutely. I will never forget him stiffarming Wilkerson four yards behind the line of scrimmage and then getting the first down.
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) The Bills' roster and cap situation is rather unique in that it has a very low amount of $$ allocated to the QB position. So if you factor in the fact that Tyrod is playing for $1M or whatever, I think it justifies a higher-than-normal allocation of cap dollars to other positions, including running back. That said, putting aside his contract number, I question Shady's fit for Roman's offense. Seemed to me that Karlos and Gilleslee ran Roman's plays just as well, if not better than Shady. And I'm a HUGE fan of the Jon Williams pick and I think he too will thrive in Roman's offense. So I'm not sure we need Shady at all (I know it's sacrilege, but I'd much rather have a playmaking linebacker who can defend the pass well...) agree with pretty much everything here. Jon Williams reminds me of a poor man's zeke elliott. I want shady on our team I just don't want to pay him that much. Edited May 3, 2016 by Not at the table Karlos
The Big Cat Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 You asked a yes or no question. The answer is yes. agree with pretty much everything here. Jon Williams reminds me of a poor man's zeke elliott. I want shady on our team I just don't want to pay him that much. We're not.
Nanker Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 The only question in my mind wrt Shady is will he self-destruct (on or off the field) before the last year in his contract. And make no mistake, that will be the end of his career as a Bill. Either his self-destruction or when his current contract runs out.
Dorkington Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 I say yes, when healthy. So it'll just depend on that. If he can play 14 games or more this year, that's good value.
The Big Cat Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 This is Shadys last year as a Bill. You don't pay a RB that much money, IMO. Once we have to pay Tyrod he will be forced to take a pay cut(which he won't take) and he will be gone. The Panthers are paying Jonathan Stewart more. You actually do pay running backs that kind of money. Shady is no ordinary running back. The offense's production with him in and out of games is starkly different.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 This is Shadys last year as a Bill. You don't pay a RB that much money, IMO. Once we have to pay Tyrod he will be forced to take a pay cut(which he won't take) and he will be gone. Incorrect.
The Big Cat Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 For comparison's sake--and eBall is on point looking at the cap pct and not the real number--Marshawn is 7.44. Now, he's retired. But put it things into perspective. Elite running backs get paid. We have one of them and his pay is commensurate.
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 We're not. how do you figure? He is the second highest paid back in the NFL.
The Big Cat Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 Peterson is 7.65, how do you figure? He is the second highest paid back in the NFL. According to what metric? All that matters to our team is how much pct of the cap he consumes. And compared to other elite backs, it's on point or affordable. Jonathan Stewart is more than 6. The only costs that matter when looking at player value is opportunity cost. Doesn't matter how much a guy is paid, it matter how much it impacts the team's ability to pay others.
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 Was looking at total contract not cap hit. My bad
hondo in seattle Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 I think an elite running back like Shady on a Greg Roman offense is clearly worth 5% of the cap.
The Big Cat Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 Starkly different? I saw a street FA signed late in the season with similar production to McCoys. No you didn't. Gillsie did not have McCoy's production. In his five games with Buffalo Gillslie had 296 yfs. In 12 games McCoy had 1187. That's 59.2 ypg compared to 98.9. Unless you meant something different by "similar." Second, we're not talking about individuals here, we're talking about the team's production. McCoy added a dimension to the offense that neither Karlos nor Gillsile did. This is not debatable.
Freddie's Dead Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 The answer to the OP's question is yes. The question I have is "Are we getting our money's worth?" The answer to that question is "So far, no".
Maury Ballstein Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 Starkly different? I saw a street FA signed late in the season with similar production to McCoys. This is amazing. You whine about how terrible the team is and you want to make the team worse by getting rid of the focal point of the top rushing offense. Off season TSW strikes again. Hot take overload this month.
BADOLBILZ Posted May 3, 2016 Posted May 3, 2016 The Bills' roster and cap situation is rather unique in that it has a very low amount of $$ allocated to the QB position. So if you factor in the fact that Tyrod is playing for $1M or whatever, I think it justifies a higher-than-normal allocation of cap dollars to other positions, including running back. That said, putting aside his contract number, I question Shady's fit for Roman's offense. Seemed to me that Karlos and Gilleslee ran Roman's plays just as well, if not better than Shady. And I'm a HUGE fan of the Jon Williams pick and I think he too will thrive in Roman's offense. So I'm not sure we need Shady at all (I know it's sacrilege, but I'd much rather have a playmaking linebacker who can defend the pass well...) Gillislee and Karlos were clearly more effective. They produced all of the big runs and scored the vast majority of the TD's. It's hard to argue with the fact that they fit and follow the scheme better than the high-mileage waterbug Shady. Truth is in 3 of the past 4 seasons his ypc has hovered around league average and in 2014 he had the lowest yards per touch of any qualifying player in the entire NFL. The big year he had in between was the first year of Chip Kelly's system in the NFL.....the same year Nick Foles threw for like 27 TD's and like 2 interceptions......the scheme initially caught most teams off-guard. So if he isn't about big plays, doesn't provide a physical presence in the run game and has to come off the field in short yardage and goal line........what is so great about him? This is his last year as a Bill......and that being the case his total cap hit will be $26.5M for two seasons of being on the team. That is a staggering amount of money for a RB with such a hollow impact.
eball Posted May 3, 2016 Author Posted May 3, 2016 This is his last year as a Bill......and that being the case his total cap hit will be $26.5M for two seasons of being on the team. That is a staggering amount of money for a RB with such a hollow impact. It's 4.88% of the cap this year, which is the original question. You're on record that he's not worth it, although your answer could have been more succinct. Thanks.
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