JohnC Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Just on the debate above I don't see any way this is a playoff team in 2017, but then I said the same about Miami in 2016.... The Bills have an abysmal record against good teams with winning records. (I don't have the stats but I believe they lose nearly 80% of the time against winning teams. Would appreciate it if someone can find the stat.) That is a good measure as to how good they actually are. The system is designed for parity where the majority of teams to hover around the .500 range. That is done through scheduling. It is an artificial aid for the weaker teams to maintain interest through the appearance of a competitive balance. Or another way of putting it weaker teams are propped up while stronger teams are given more obstacles to succeed. There are years where the results are aberrations. If you combine seasons in three or four year groupings you get a better idea where the team actually ranks. The Bills have been a consistent team. It is not too challenging to recognize where they rank. Agree. A bit like Marrone's first year where I saw a bit of an identity despite the record staying stagnant and they reshaped the roster a bit to fit what he wanted, began to implement an aggressive pressure based D etc... Marrone was not a very likable person. But he coached hard and his players played hard. When he left and Rex entered the door this franchise was dramatically set back. One wonders where this team would be if Marrone would have stayed longer? Quote
jeffismagic Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 The Bills have an abysmal record against good teams with winning records. (I don't have the stats but I believe they lose nearly 80% of the time against winning teams. Would appreciate it if someone can find the stat.) That is a good measure as to how good they actually are. The system is designed for parity where the majority of teams to hover around the .500 range. That is done through scheduling. It is an artificial aid for the weaker teams to maintain interest through the appearance of a competitive balance. Or another way of putting it weaker teams are propped up while stronger teams are given more obstacles to succeed. There are years where the results are aberrations. If you combine seasons in three or four year groupings you get a better idea where the team actually ranks. The Bills have been a consistent team. It is not too challenging to recognize where they rank. Marrone was not a very likable person. But he coached hard and his players played hard. When he left and Rex entered the door this franchise was dramatically set back. One wonders where this team would be if Marrone would have stayed longer? I think the defense would have remained strong for an extra year or two. But keep in mind Marrone had no idea what to do on offense. Anthony Lynn, a running backs coach guy who had never called NFL plays, was 20 times better than Nate Can't Hackett. Probably would have made playoffs in one year with Orton and great defense. Roster would still eventually fall off as Mario broke down and our poor drafting caught up to us. Quote
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Marrone was not a very likable person. But he coached hard and his players played hard. When he left and Rex entered the door this franchise was dramatically set back. One wonders where this team would be if Marrone would have stayed longer? Yep. It is hard to project because had Marrone stayed in 2015 who would have been the Quarterback? We know that Rex was a major factor if not the only one pushing for Tyrod. If you had the 2015 roster with Marrone as Head Coach and Schwartz as DC the Bills are a playoff team in my opinion, but you likely wouldn't have had Tyrod at QB and that might well have kept them out. Quote
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Yep. It is hard to project because had Marrone stayed in 2015 who would have been the Quarterback? We know that Rex was a major factor if not the only one pushing for Tyrod. If you had the 2015 roster with Marrone as Head Coach and Schwartz as DC the Bills are a playoff team in my opinion, but you likely wouldn't have had Tyrod at QB and that might well have kept them out. We'd probably have Garrett Grayson instead of Ron Darby Quote
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 We'd probably have Garrett Grayson instead of Ron Darby I doubt Marrone was up for going the rookie route again. Nick Foles or Sam Bradford would have been his likely targets in my opinion before those two swapped teams. Quote
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 @lancezierlein If you missed Path to the Draft over the last three days, one of the most interesting rumors circulating is that Jaguars could go QB at #4. Quote
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 @lancezierlein If you missed Path to the Draft over the last three days, one of the most interesting rumors circulating is that Jaguars could go QB at #4. Also hearing they might ship Bortles to Arizona Quote
jeffismagic Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 @lancezierlein If you missed Path to the Draft over the last three days, one of the most interesting rumors circulating is that Jaguars could go QB at #4. That would be Trubisky. Marrone and Coughlin too conservative to go Mahomes. I doubt Marrone was up for going the rookie route again. Nick Foles or Sam Bradford would have been his likely targets in my opinion before those two swapped teams. Marrone is Coughlin's puppet. Quote
JohnC Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 I think the defense would have remained strong for an extra year or two. But keep in mind Marrone had no idea what to do on offense. Anthony Lynn, a running backs coach guy who had never called NFL plays, was 20 times better than Nate Can't Hackett. Probably would have made playoffs in one year with Orton and great defense. Roster would still eventually fall off as Mario broke down and our poor drafting caught up to us. Hackett has deservedly received a lot of criticism for his play calling. What did he have to work with? With respect to the highlighted section that's the essence of the problem with this team: talent evaluation and acquisition. Over time strategy will never trump the lack of talent. You are only as good as your are. Quote
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Also hearing they might ship Bortles to Arizonaheard that too - would make some sense Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 @lancezierlein If you missed Path to the Draft over the last three days, one of the most interesting rumors circulating is that Jaguars could go QB at #4. Wouldn't surprise me. Bortles was Osweiler-bad last year. What's becoming clear is Cleveland will have to trade up from 12 if they want Trubisky. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Also hearing they might ship Bortles to ArizonaYeah, Jacksonville will be giving up #4 and Bortles to go to 13. Quote
thebandit27 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Also hearing they might ship Bortles to Arizona FWIW, Arizona liked Bortles a LOT back in 2014 Quote
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) Wouldn't surprise me. Bortles was Osweiler-bad last year. What's becoming clear is Cleveland will have to trade up from 12 if they want Trubisky.my uninformed opinion is that Trubisky to Browns is the new Nassib to Buffalo. A lot of assumptions based on very little actual knowledge. They might draft him, but the odds are not higher than them taking any of the other QBs or trading for a QB. Edited April 20, 2017 by YoloinOhio Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 my uninformed opinion is that Trubisky to Browns is the new Nassib to Buffalo. A lot of assumptions based on very little actual knowledge. They might draft him, but the odds are not higher than them taking any of the other QBs or trading for a QB. Kind of agree with this. Wouldn't surprise me if Watson goes before Trubisky, but I think if Cleveland wants to be sure of getting their first choice, they have to trade up from 12. I think Bills would be happy to have their pick of QB's at 10. Quote
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Kind of agree with this. Wouldn't surprise me if Watson goes before Trubisky, but I think if Cleveland wants to be sure of getting their first choice, they have to trade up from 12. I think Bills would be happy to have their pick of QB's at 10.again, no knowledge here, but if the Browns are truly analytics-driven, they won't take one at 1 or 12. Quote
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) @kristianrdyer Source: Eagles, Bills to visit with Penn State safety Malik Golden http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-draft-rumors-broncos-eagles-rutgers-guard-chris-muller/11qxz99uiodff1sre8uwam7b6h Edited April 20, 2017 by YoloinOhio Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 again, no knowledge here, but if the Browns are truly analytics-driven, they won't take one at 1 or 12. If I were in clevelands position, I'd trade #12 and a combo of other draft picks for Cousins. You can be analytics-driven all you'd like, but if you don't have a QB it's all for nought. Quote
Dr. Who Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 That would be Trubisky. Marrone and Coughlin too conservative to go Mahomes. Marrone is Coughlin's puppet. They were speculating Watson, I think. Quote
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