White Linen Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Striker and his 4.80 looks infinitely faster than Shaq and his 4.70. Not a slam on Shaq, more a compliment to Striker and reason why players like him can slip. His tape looks like he has great burst off the line and closes strong. If he only runs a 4.80 it looks like he plays at that speed all the time. Some guys just don't have the straight line speed but they have great burst and playing speed, Striker fits that profile. A 5'11" guy is always going to appear faster than a 6'3" guy because the longer stride makes up the difference between what appears the feet moving faster.
Mikie2times Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 A 5'11" guy is always going to appear faster than a 6'3" guy because the longer stride makes up the difference between what appears the feet moving faster. Understood, I'm a stride runner myself and suffered from good speed/poor footballs speed when I played. Watch the tape, what I'm saying has nothing to do with speed differences in stride. He is much faster off the edge than Shaq. It's not close. He's around the Tackle on some clips nearly in conjunction with the Tackle getting out of his stance. I have seen absolutely nothing on Shaq that showed the same edge/close speed. Feel free to disagree with my observation of the tape, but it looks overwhelming to me (this is with the understanding that Shaq is anchoring run a lot, just referring to clear pin back pass rush situations for both players).
Mikie2times Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Shaq http://www.wgr550.com/Video-One-game-from-every-Bills-draft-pick/22719403 Striker https://youtu.be/bndBUxbJBc4 You tell me. Look at obvious pass situations for Shaq, not when he's anchoring for the run. I also think it's contain responsibility, but I just don't see Shaq hitting the edge like Striker can even if he was in more of a wide alignment. Shaq is a man. Probably the best edge run setter in the draft. This is just an observations of the edge pass rushing differences of the two. I think Striker can be a very good add for us and I like that he has this element to his game. Need some speed off the corner.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 To be quite honest I never understood why C. Moore floppped SOOO badly in the NFL...... Never have found a good explanation....the guy should have been a terror in the NFL as well.....but was not Greg Williams
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Striker also said he's never heard of London Fletcher. In case you want to feel really old.
White Linen Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Understood, I'm a stride runner myself and suffered from good speed/poor footballs speed when I played. Watch the tape, what I'm saying has nothing to do with speed differences in stride. He is much faster off the edge than Shaq. It's not close. He's around the Tackle on some clips nearly in conjunction with the Tackle getting out of his stance. I have seen absolutely nothing on Shaq that showed the same edge/close speed. Feel free to disagree with my observation of the tape, but it looks overwhelming to me (this is with the understanding that Shaq is anchoring run a lot, just referring to clear pin back pass rush situations for both players). Both totally different human beings. One is 5 ft 11 and weighs 227 lbs - the other is 6 ft 3 and 275 lbs of course their edge rushing is different. Show me tape where Striker spins to the inside or bull rushes the tackle and bench presses him. I don't get what you're saying. Do you imply Striker is the better pass rusher than Shaq?
Mikie2times Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) Both totally different human beings. One is 5 ft 11 and weighs 227 lbs - the other is 6 ft 3 and 275 lbs of course their edge rushing is different. Show me tape where Striker spins to the inside or bull rushes the tackle and bench presses him. I don't get what you're saying. Do you imply Striker is the better pass rusher than Shaq? My point is he plays way faster than his speed and I used Shaq's lower 40 time and game film to illustrate that point. Edited May 7, 2016 by KzooMike
Saxum Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Striker also said he's never heard of London Fletcher. In case you want to feel really old. Fletcher is the best possible result for him and he needs to look up Fletch and get pointers (i.e.make sure you get a lot of snacks for the 2 big DTs in front of you like 10 pounds of ribs)..
Kelly the Dog Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Fletcher is the best possible result for him and he needs to look up Fletch and get pointers (i.e.make sure you get a lot of snacks for the 2 big DTs in front of you like 10 pounds of ribs).. Fletcher was short and stout. As was Sam Mills who also played in the 220s. Striker looks slender and all muscle. Not sure he can hold his ground against NFL OL the way Fletcher and Mills could. If he can, we may have a true steal. He should get a look. He looks much faster than 4.8 speed and anticipation is off the charts. Some guys with bad numbers are just as fast on the field as guys who raced .2 or .3 quicker times.
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Fletcher was short and stout. As was Sam Mills who also played in the 220s. Striker looks slender and all muscle. Not sure he can hold his ground against NFL OL the way Fletcher and Mills could. If he can, we may have a true steal. He should get a look. He looks much faster than 4.8 speed and anticipation is off the charts. Some guys with bad numbers are just as fast on the field as guys who raced .2 or .3 quicker times.i think Kiko ran a 4.78 at the combine. Yet, the rookie version of kiko was very quick to diagnose plays and played with instinct that made him appear faster than he really was. He was a relative tweener for certain schemes due to his size. Could be true here as well.
Mikie2times Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) In what I read the Bills really praised his pass rushing when they reached out. I guess we blew his phone up when the draft ended. Most Oklahoma fans/Big 12 fan comment said he wasn't the best in pass coverage but he was dominating the conference for 2 years and was elite at pass rushing. I'm thinking special teams demon and 3rd down X Factor in the first year. Even if he's not an elite pass defender, he seems great of the edge and instinctual on blitzes, so you can use him in a variety of places on 3rd down with offenses thinking he will rush the passer. If he bails he becomes a fairly athletic pass defender. Rex loves these types. Excited to see what he can add. Edited May 7, 2016 by KzooMike
3rdand12 Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 My point is he plays way faster than his speed and I used Shaq's lower 40 time and game film to illustrate that point. I thought you presented well Mike.
Augie Posted May 7, 2016 Posted May 7, 2016 Striker also said he's never heard of London Fletcher. In case you want to feel really old. That does make me feel really old, so I tell myself that some of these guys have never heard of LONDON. (OK, maybe...)
26CornerBlitz Posted May 8, 2016 Posted May 8, 2016 Undersized LB Striker Brings Giant Heart to the Field Going undrafted wasn't the first time LB Eric Striker has been overlooked. And he's more than ready to prove the doubters wrong again.
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 An undersized, slow LB that has difficulty shedding blocks, with a "high motor" what could possibly go wrong? Practice squad at best. You guys may be enamored with his name and YouTube clips, but I'm not impressed.
John from Riverside Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 An undersized, slow LB that has difficulty shedding blocks, with a "high motor" what could possibly go wrong? Practice squad at best. You guys may be enamored with his name and YouTube clips, but I'm not impressed. or maybe you can just slow your roll and see how it works out?
YattaOkasan Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 Striker and his 4.80 looks infinitely faster than Shaq and his 4.70. Not a slam on Shaq, more a compliment to Striker and reason why players like him can slip. His tape looks like he has great burst off the line and closes strong. If he only runs a 4.80 it looks like he plays at that speed all the time. Some guys just don't have the straight line speed but they have great burst and playing speed, Striker fits that profile. I know you had other conversations about speed off the line, but I wanted to throw another tangent thought in. (FTR I just said on the other thread that Striker is a one trick pony). Striker is asked to run around players and Shaq is asked to run through them (many times making a read first). I still need to see a whole game of Strikers, but he seems to excel at one thing (Edge rushing the passer). In the NFL, where tackles have better feet/technique, I think this strategy will be less effective. Shaq (whose game tape I've seen a lot of) on almost every play is required to make run/pass/edge reads, and then run through OTs to set the edge on his rush. I think scheme requirements explains their difference in speed off the ball (not some sort of "football" versus "spandex" speed). For me measurables come in during pass coverage. The highlight video in the UDFA thread showed ONE pass break up for Striker. Shaq doesn't break pass plays up, but he does force throws not to be thrown (and if they are thrown he punishes the receiver). Why are we even comparing our 1st round pick to a UDFA? Our #1 is better. Our UDFA is really good pass rusher, but is a really good edge rusher.
Nanker Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 Shaq http://www.wgr550.com/Video-One-game-from-every-Bills-draft-pick/22719403 Striker https://youtu.be/bndBUxbJBc4 You tell me. Look at obvious pass situations for Shaq, not when he's anchoring for the run. I also think it's contain responsibility, but I just don't see Shaq hitting the edge like Striker can even if he was in more of a wide alignment. Shaq is a man. Probably the best edge run setter in the draft. This is just an observations of the edge pass rushing differences of the two. I think Striker can be a very good add for us and I like that he has this element to his game. Need some speed off the corner. Yep. Shaq's an edge setter and can rush the passer. Our run D should be tough this year. Rags can punish and mop up runners too. I see Striker as our SS. He's an excellent blitzer. I'd love to see him light up Edelman a few times.
8-8 Forever? Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 He went undrafted because of his size, but this dude is a baller. Incredible instincts, athleticism, blitz ability, and tackling. I think if he can put on a little weight, he can become one of the steals of the draft. Love that we got him. special teams guy, that's about it, IMO. plus once he gets with the big boys he'll get hurt in all likelihood
26CornerBlitz Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 special teams guy, that's about it, IMO. plus once he gets with the big boys he'll get hurt in all likelihood Not a valid point. He's bigger than most defensive backs and some of the hybrid LB/S guys that are already playing in the league.
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