simpleman Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) By any metric the right side of the Bill’s Offensive line was almost a tire fire last year. In spite of the excellent running and passing talent last year, there was a big black hole on the right side. An excellent RB tandem. Watkins, McCoy & Clay. TT’s natural ability to take of and run helped pad the stats and masked the weaknesses of the OL. Incognito played way out of his skull last year. Glen was his steady solid self again. The Bill’s pray that Incognito will still play insanely on fire and Glenn will stay solid & steady. Yet this off-season Bills management has done nothing significant via FA or the draft to address the right side of the OL. The RT situation is still a mess. The RG situation was bad last year, and the team’s plan A, B & C is praying that Miller will have a 2nd year where the light finally turns on for him. Unfortunately this plan is backed up by little more than faith and hope. The team has Watkins at WR, with Woods as an average slot. Beyond that are a bunch of warm bodies at WR & ST players being counted in the offense. They lost a passable WR in Hogan & didn’t replace him with comparable talent. Harvin retired without comparable replacement. Talent wise the team has less talent than last year. The Bills plan to improve offensive performance, praying TT will make a major improvement this year. Wow, I’m impressed with all this team has done to improve the offense this year. The “power of prayer”, the plan A,B.C, D and F for the Bills to get better on offense in 2016. * Remember the stats are padded by TT's running ability & the guard stats are padded by Incognito having a stellar year at guard. I apologize, I created some really nice tables from stats from Football Outsiders to back all this up,and inserted them here but TBD does not appear to support uploading images or tables. And preview mode showed them fine before actual posting. And it is not obvious if the my media function is even enabled for the board. Quote from PFF “… it’s really a tale of two sides. On the left, their pairing is as good as any in the league, and on the right, it’s as bad as any.” Edited May 1, 2016 by simpleman
Johnny Hammersticks Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 I just threw up on my slippers, and my dog is humping the cactus plant. Yeeeoooowch!!
dubs Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 * Remember the stats are padded by TT's running ability & the guard stats are padded by Incognito having a stellar year at guard. Hah!! The guard stats were padded by the guard play! Classic
Ronin Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Excellent post simpleman!! You're one of the few that seems to get it. Despite all of that, not one draft expert, nor any of the team's "experts," and I use the term tremendously loosely as they're only experts in collecting large paychecks, had WR as even a depth concern going into the draft when as with you I see a glaring hole at one starting WR spot since as we agree, Woods is at best a reliable 3rd/slot. Meanwhile, two seasons ago Whaley sold the farm to get Watkins, when this year comparable talent was sitting right there without the run on WRs having yet occurred, and we could have had a WR equal to or perhaps even better than Watkins in traffic as there were several, all taken in the run immediately following our first pick. We could have then had Cody Whitehair to solidify the OL and give our RT a shot at goodness as well. Meanwhile, Watkins has struggled with injuries since he's been on the team and Woods was hurt for a significant portion of last season, yet, our marvelous brainiacs at OBD apparently haven't thought about what happens if in the high likelihood that one of the two gets hurt and misses significant time. Meanwhile, they bolster the rushing game with a RB that doesn't catch the ball, and stockpile the D with run defenders as if this is 1988. All the while not one person in the Bills sports media bothers to point out that 35 sacks from Schwartz's D were gotten from players still on this team, it's just that Ryan can't get them from those players. Apparently run defenders will help. Prior to the draft the talk, here and elsewhere, was about how we needed pass rushers. So we get run defenders and everyone applauds Whaley. 5-7 wins this season, if Taylor, Watkins, Woods, or Glenn go down, we'll be lucky to win any games at all from that point onward.
simpleman Posted May 1, 2016 Author Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Hah!! The guard stats were padded by the guard play! Classic If the board software supported images or tables you would have seen that the left and right guard performance stats used from Football Outsiders combined them into one stat for the guards, not separating them into left or right side. Which was the whole point of talking about the left side of the OL being very good, but the right side being a glaring weakness and a serious problem for an offense supposedly based the strength of it's run game. Edited May 1, 2016 by simpleman
Ronin Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 If the board software supported images or tables you would have seen that the left and right guard performance stats used from outsiders combined them into one stat All I know is that Miller played like crap according to the metrics as well as by eye. Not to mention he was hurt for a good chunk of the season. Yet, some here will insist that he played well. This team drafted as if were the '80s or '90s. And frankly, do we really need a rushing RB, no, we don't. It doesn't really matter, under Whaley we'll be fortunate to have even one player drafted from the 3rd round on out even be relevant at some point. Meanwhile, they take Listenbee, as if they haven't learned, and they haven't, from the Graham, Goodwin, and Easeley picks of the past, that track stars rarely if ever do anything significant in the NFL. 12th time must be the charm tho.
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Hah!! The guard stats were padded by the guard play! Classicoh - now I get it O_o If the board software supported images or tables you would have seen that the left and right guard performance stats used from Football Outsiders combined them into one stat for the guards, not separating them into left or right side. Which was the whole point of talking about the left side of the OL being very good, but the right side being a glaring weakness and a serious problem for an offense supposedly based the strength of it's run game.Ok - that makes sense now
Gray Beard Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 I was hoping for some OL talent in the middle rounds of the draft. They picked up a few UDFA bodies later in the day on Saturday. Will that be enough to make a difference? If that is what the OP was trying to say, then I understand his concern. Otherwise, I feel that this draft will turn out to be a good one for the Bills.
ALF Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 I'am counting on Kromer to get Miller and the rest OL better . Letting Urbik go as a ok RG is still curious If Henderson is healthy , a big if , the right side could be ok
Nanker Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 If the board software supported images or tables you would have seen that the left and right guard performance stats used from Football Outsiders combined them into one stat for the guards, not separating them into left or right side. Which was the whole point of talking about the left side of the OL being very good, but the right side being a glaring weakness and a serious problem for an offense supposedly based the strength of it's run game. They do. You're just too simple to know how to use them.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) OR the Bills FO and coaches have the belief that players will continue to develope. This belief is important for Miller and Mills. The Front office and coaches also believe that Henderson will return because they have been monitoring his progress with team doctors. I understand right now the left side is proven more what it is than the right side. That was not going to change at all by the draft. A rookie is a rookie. Look at the first round tackle the Rams took a few years back(early and on phone help me with his name). He struggled to get on the field for a year . Telling me that anyone taken In the draft is a sure thing is wishful, much less someone taken after round one. Why do I say this? Because none of them have played a down of meaningful NFL football yet. Edited May 1, 2016 by atlbillsfan1975
Ronin Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 I'am counting on Kromer to get Miller and the rest OL better . Letting Urbik go as a ok RG is still curious If Henderson is healthy , a big if , the right side could be ok Miller will have to make a huge leap to be the answer at RG. I've loved Henderson since he was drafted, but have been very disappointed in how he's played. Whitehair would have made a world of difference plugged in at RG.
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 I'am counting on Kromer to get Miller and the rest OL better . Letting Urbik go as a ok RG is still curious If Henderson is healthy , a big if , the right side could be ok they replaced Urbik with Velasco. I don't know how good Velasco is but I know Urbik wasn't good, so not too curious IMO
CSBill Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 The Bills plan to improve offensive performance, praying TT will make a major improvement this year. Wow, I’m impressed with all this team has done to improve the offense this year. The “power of prayer”, the plan A,B.C, D and F for the Bills to get better on offense in 2016. * Remember the stats are padded by TT's running ability & the guard stats are padded by Incognito having a stellar year at guard. I apologize, I created some really nice tables from stats from Football Outsiders to back all this up,and inserted them here but TBD does not appear to support uploading images or tables. And preview mode showed them fine before actual posting. And it is not obvious if the my media function is even enabled for the board. Quote from PFF “… it’s really a tale of two sides. On the left, their pairing is as good as any in the league, and on the right, it’s as bad as any.” Certainly no team would ever expect that a player might improve the next year . . . I had some stats and a table to show the ridiculousness of this post, but, well, it was't necessary
Dorkington Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 We were one of the top rushing teams, and TT had the longest time to throw in the league as far as I know... so yeah, on paper the team might be weak on the right side, but it's clearly not *that* bad, or easily made up for by scheme, because otherwise the referenced wouldn't be happening.
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