stevestojan Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Posting for the first time in months. I'm the pessimist a-hole on this board. I've never seen the Bills draft this well ever. EVER. That is all.
ndirish1978 Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 It was a very good draft. Cue the next 40 posts saying you can't measure a draft before 2 years have elapsed.
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) You can't measure the draft for at least 3 years. Get it right Edited April 30, 2016 by BEAST MODE BABY!
LeGOATski Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Well...I likes their picks, for the most part. They all make sense.
stevestojan Posted April 30, 2016 Author Posted April 30, 2016 Well...I likes their picks, for the most part. They all make sense. Exactly. When's the last time we were able to say that?
LeGOATski Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Exactly. When's the last time we were able to say that? The last two years, I think. The Bills do a nice job of setting up their big board and the picks seem to fall into place. Good combinations of BPA, need, and high-potential.
Dorkington Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Seems like they did decent on paper, we'll find out in a few years if it was any good though.
The Frankish Reich Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) I really like last year's draft, so I certainly don't count as a draft day naysayer. But ... I really, really don't like this year's draft. - guy with a shoulder injury who isn't considered an elite talent at 19th overall. Yes, it was 19th overall, not in the top 5, but if there's any injury risk at all (beyond the norm), I'd like to see elite talent. Think Myles Jack. - guy thought to be a 2-down linebacker in Round 2. OK, but is there much upside there? - passed on all QBs who have a realistic chance of being ready to start when Tyrod's contract is up after this season. - a RB in the 4th round. Is he clearly better than a guy you could get as an UDFA? History would suggest no. - a speedburner receiver in the 5th. Yes, it's the 5th. But haven't Graham and Goodwin taught them anything? - most importantly: unaddressed pressing needs, mostly on the O line. My issue is this was a draft a clear playoff team should have. A couple good solid starters or roleplayers in the first 2 rounds, the kind that don't have true star potential but can add depth and fill a need. An obsession with QB size/athleticism that served them so well the last time around with EJ? ... an obsession with speed at WR that has failed 3 times in a row if you count signing Harvin. I'd say it's the worst I've felt about a draft in recent memory ... Edited April 30, 2016 by The Frankish Reich
stevestojan Posted April 30, 2016 Author Posted April 30, 2016 I really like last year's draft, so I certainly don't count as a draft day naysayer. But ... I really, really don't like this year's draft. - guy with a shoulder injury who isn't considered an elite talent at 19th overall. Yes, it was 19th overall, not in the top 5, but if there's any injury risk at all (beyond the norm), I'd like to see elite talent. Think Myles Jack. - guy thought to be a 2-down linebacker in Round 2. OK, but is there much upside there? - passed on all QBs who have a realistic chance of being ready to start when Tyrod's contract is up after this season. - a RB in the 4th round. Is he clearly better than a guy you could get as an UDFA? History would suggest no. - a speedburner receiver in the 5th. Yes, it's the 5th. But haven't Graham and Goodwin taught them anything? - most importantly: unaddressed pressing needs, mostly on the O line. My issue is this was a draft a clear playoff team should have. A couple good roleplayers in the first 2 rounds, the kind that don't have star potential but can add depth and fill a need. An obsession with QB size/athleticism that served them so well the last time around with EJ? ... an obsession with speed at WR that has failed 3 times in a row if you count signing Harvin. I'd say it's the worst I've felt about a draft in recent memory ... Thanks for making me hate this team again. I knew I was wrong to be positive. See you guys again in a few months.
xsoldier54 Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 I really like last year's draft, so I certainly don't count as a draft day naysayer. But ... I really, really don't like this year's draft. - guy with a shoulder injury who isn't considered an elite talent at 19th overall. Yes, it was 19th overall, not in the top 5, but if there's any injury risk at all (beyond the norm), I'd like to see elite talent. Think Myles Jack. - guy thought to be a 2-down linebacker in Round 2. OK, but is there much upside there? - passed on all QBs who have a realistic chance of being ready to start when Tyrod's contract is up after this season. - a RB in the 4th round. Is he clearly better than a guy you could get as an UDFA? History would suggest no. - a speedburner receiver in the 5th. Yes, it's the 5th. But haven't Graham and Goodwin taught them anything? - most importantly: unaddressed pressing needs, mostly on the O line. My issue is this was a draft a clear playoff team should have. A couple good solid starters or roleplayers in the first 2 rounds, the kind that don't have true star potential but can add depth and fill a need. An obsession with QB size/athleticism that served them so well the last time around with EJ? ... an obsession with speed at WR that has failed 3 times in a row if you count signing Harvin. I'd say it's the worst I've felt about a draft in recent memory ... So you didn't like a single one of our picks. Amazing. Most fans and draft analysts agree. This was an excellent draft for the Bills. If these picks didn't excite you, I doubt that anyone they drafted in their place would have either.
LeGOATski Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 I really like last year's draft, so I certainly don't count as a draft day naysayer. But ... I really, really don't like this year's draft ... Lawson and Ragland are 3 down immediate starters, I think. The rest are role players that make sense. Kyle only has so much time left, so they need young talent behind him. The speedy WR is a need in this offense. No matter how many of those guys get injured, they simply need that role player to open up the offense. Using a 6th round pick on him is nothing to complain about. Personally, I don't think Cardale will amount to anything, but he fits the system and was taken at the right spot (4th round).
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 I really like last year's draft, so I certainly don't count as a draft day naysayer. But ... I really, really don't like this year's draft. - guy with a shoulder injury who isn't considered an elite talent at 19th overall. Yes, it was 19th overall, not in the top 5, but if there's any injury risk at all (beyond the norm), I'd like to see elite talent. Think Myles Jack. Even though Myles Jack DEFINATELY has an injury that might now allow him to get to his next contract....meanwhile Shaq (who was supposed to go top 10) has a shoulder thing that has not hampered him in any way at all and has been checked out by doctors. Even if he needs the surgury its a shoulder....not a knee like Myles Jack. - guy thought to be a 2-down linebacker in Round 2. OK, but is there much upside there? In case your not watching the current NFL.....most LB's are becoming 2 down players because they put safeties on the field on 3rd down. Even so.....Reggie Ragland is no Brandon Spikes....he needs to keep his weight down and then he actually has some movement skills. Even so....another 1st round talent taken in the 2nd round. - passed on all QBs who have a realistic chance of being ready to start when Tyrod's contract is up after this season. NONE of these QBs are starting....even Wentz and Goff might have to sit the bench for a while.....so they took a high upside QB with all the tools with the intention of having him play the assback for a year. - a RB in the 4th round. Is he clearly better than a guy you could get as an UDFA? History would suggest no. When players started going down this last year.....we were playing guys like Boom Herron and UDFA running backs....injury after injury.......it was not until the 3/4 point of the year we got lucky with Gillaslee.....translation....WE ARE A RUNNING TEAM AND NEED A STABLE OF RBs that can actually play.....this Wiliams kid is a STUD - a speedburner receiver in the 5th. Yes, it's the 5th. But haven't Graham and Goodwin taught them anything? So we should stop trying to draft speed when our QB has a nice deep ball? Really. My issue is this was a draft a clear playoff team should have. A couple good roleplayers in the first 2 rounds, the kind that don't have star potential but can add depth and fill a need. An obsession with QB size/athleticism that served them so well the last time around with EJ? ... an obsession with speed at WR that has failed 3 times in a row if you count signing Harvin. If you look a little closer....You can see they stuck fairly close to their board while filling needs at nearly every postiion. I'd say it's the worst I've felt about a draft in recent memory ... I think we are gonna get to preseason and your gonna already be changing your tune.
The Frankish Reich Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 So you didn't like a single one of our picks. Amazing. Most fans and draft analysts agree. This was an excellent draft for the Bills. If these picks didn't excite you, I doubt that anyone they drafted in their place would have either. I'm fine with the first 3 picks actually. My issue is that they're all reasonably calculated to make the Bills as good as they were in 2014 and 2015. Goodbye Mario, hello Lawson (worse than Mario 2014, better than Mario 2015). Goodbye Brandon Spikes, hello Ragland. Goodbye Stefan Charles, hello Adolphus Washington. I'm just not seeing a plan to get beyond the "we project at 8-8, maybe if we get a few lucky bounces or some other teams tank we can squeak into the playoffs in 2016." It was a cautious draft; I think we needed a bold draft.
The Frankish Reich Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 I really like last year's draft, so I certainly don't count as a draft day naysayer. But ... I really, really don't like this year's draft. - guy with a shoulder injury who isn't considered an elite talent at 19th overall. Yes, it was 19th overall, not in the top 5, but if there's any injury risk at all (beyond the norm), I'd like to see elite talent. Think Myles Jack. Even though Myles Jack DEFINATELY has an injury that might now allow him to get to his next contract....meanwhile Shaq (who was supposed to go top 10) has a shoulder thing that has not hampered him in any way at all and has been checked out by doctors. Even if he needs the surgury its a shoulder....not a knee like Myles Jack. - guy thought to be a 2-down linebacker in Round 2. OK, but is there much upside there? In case your not watching the current NFL.....most LB's are becoming 2 down players because they put safeties on the field on 3rd down. Even so.....Reggie Ragland is no Brandon Spikes....he needs to keep his weight down and then he actually has some movement skills. Even so....another 1st round talent taken in the 2nd round. - passed on all QBs who have a realistic chance of being ready to start when Tyrod's contract is up after this season. NONE of these QBs are starting....even Wentz and Goff might have to sit the bench for a while.....so they took a high upside QB with all the tools with the intention of having him play the assback for a year. - a RB in the 4th round. Is he clearly better than a guy you could get as an UDFA? History would suggest no. When players started going down this last year.....we were playing guys like Boom Herron and UDFA running backs....injury after injury.......it was not until the 3/4 point of the year we got lucky with Gillaslee.....translation....WE ARE A RUNNING TEAM AND NEED A STABLE OF RBs that can actually play.....this Wiliams kid is a STUD - a speedburner receiver in the 5th. Yes, it's the 5th. But haven't Graham and Goodwin taught them anything? So we should stop trying to draft speed when our QB has a nice deep ball? Really. My issue is this was a draft a clear playoff team should have. A couple good roleplayers in the first 2 rounds, the kind that don't have star potential but can add depth and fill a need. An obsession with QB size/athleticism that served them so well the last time around with EJ? ... an obsession with speed at WR that has failed 3 times in a row if you count signing Harvin. If you look a little closer....You can see they stuck fairly close to their board while filling needs at nearly every postiion. I'd say it's the worst I've felt about a draft in recent memory ... I think we are gonna get to preseason and your gonna already be changing your tune. On the last comment -- I sure hope so!
FireChan Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/157819-reasons-this-has-been-an-amazing-draft/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/158470-buffalo-could-very-well-field-both-the-droy-and-oroy-this-year/
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 I'm fine with the first 3 picks actually. My issue is that they're all reasonably calculated to make the Bills as good as they were in 2014 and 2015. Goodbye Mario, hello Lawson (worse than Mario 2014, better than Mario 2015). Goodbye Brandon Spikes, hello Ragland. Goodbye Stefan Charles, hello Adolphus Washington. I'm just not seeing a plan to get beyond the "we project at 8-8, maybe if we get a few lucky bounces or some other teams tank we can squeak into the playoffs in 2016." It was a cautious draft; I think we needed a bold draft. We did not need a bold draft....we needed a boring solid draft with many contributing players......which it looks like we got
The Frankish Reich Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/157819-reasons-this-has-been-an-amazing-draft/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/158470-buffalo-could-very-well-field-both-the-droy-and-oroy-this-year/
Enemarty Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 I really like last year's draft, so I certainly don't count as a draft day naysayer. But ... I really, really don't like this year's draft. - guy with a shoulder injury who isn't considered an elite talent at 19th overall. Yes, it was 19th overall, not in the top 5, but if there's any injury risk at all (beyond the norm), I'd like to see elite talent. Think Myles Jack. Even though Myles Jack DEFINATELY has an injury that might now allow him to get to his next contract....meanwhile Shaq (who was supposed to go top 10) has a shoulder thing that has not hampered him in any way at all and has been checked out by doctors. Even if he needs the surgury its a shoulder....not a knee like Myles Jack. - guy thought to be a 2-down linebacker in Round 2. OK, but is there much upside there? In case your not watching the current NFL.....most LB's are becoming 2 down players because they put safeties on the field on 3rd down. Even so.....Reggie Ragland is no Brandon Spikes....he needs to keep his weight down and then he actually has some movement skills. Even so....another 1st round talent taken in the 2nd round. - passed on all QBs who have a realistic chance of being ready to start when Tyrod's contract is up after this season. NONE of these QBs are starting....even Wentz and Goff might have to sit the bench for a while.....so they took a high upside QB with all the tools with the intention of having him play the assback for a year. - a RB in the 4th round. Is he clearly better than a guy you could get as an UDFA? History would suggest no. When players started going down this last year.....we were playing guys like Boom Herron and UDFA running backs....injury after injury.......it was not until the 3/4 point of the year we got lucky with Gillaslee.....translation....WE ARE A RUNNING TEAM AND NEED A STABLE OF RBs that can actually play.....this Wiliams kid is a STUD - a speedburner receiver in the 5th. Yes, it's the 5th. But haven't Graham and Goodwin taught them anything? So we should stop trying to draft speed when our QB has a nice deep ball? Really. My issue is this was a draft a clear playoff team should have. A couple good roleplayers in the first 2 rounds, the kind that don't have star potential but can add depth and fill a need. An obsession with QB size/athleticism that served them so well the last time around with EJ? ... an obsession with speed at WR that has failed 3 times in a row if you count signing Harvin. If you look a little closer....You can see they stuck fairly close to their board while filling needs at nearly every postiion. I'd say it's the worst I've felt about a draft in recent memory ... I think we are gonna get to preseason and your gonna already be changing your tune. I agree with everything J from H says. Two keys to Rex's front seven. A third piece to the front seven that can have a role now and maybe a big role in the future. Support in the run game, a speedster at 200 lbs and I agree that there were no outstanding QBs this year, so with what is really a 5th (given the number) we take a flyer on a QB that might have an upside. This was an excellent draft.
The Frankish Reich Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 We did not need a bold draft....we needed a boring solid draft with many contributing players......which it looks like we got Because we're sooo tantalizingly close to being a Super Bowl team? Because we're set a pivotal positions (including QB) for the next several years? Why?
Rico Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/157819-reasons-this-has-been-an-amazing-draft/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/158470-buffalo-could-very-well-field-both-the-droy-and-oroy-this-year/ 17 and counting, poor Pegs.
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