3rdand12 Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 It's easy to have great eyes and awareness when your line is blowing open holes that big. Well i cannot argue that Tom, but I watched it a couple times and its seems he had the vision pick his path and was well prepared for contact. Knows where the first down marker is and when to step out. Alos seem efficient with hi use of energy. Sure the NFL is going to be much bigger and quicker, but the Coaching and trainers will help him. I am far far from any RB expert, but i do have a sense this kid has very real potential. Do you have some suspicions or see glaring weaknesses ? I would be pleased to learn more of him !
OCinBuffalo Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) you mean the thread on WRs No, I mean I've seen people point out that we could use one...but not as a "need". Need isn't "nice to have". I can't stand these analyses that list positions: C, WR, DT....as if merely listing the position means the need is the same. When we had Lee Evans, and nobody, we had a need at WR. I fail to see how WR on this team even compares/comes close to that need. By definition, these two situations are NOT the same. Therefore, slapping WR onto our "draft needs" and pretending it's the same is patently retarded. Edited April 30, 2016 by OCinBuffalo
Sisyphean Bills Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 It's easy to have great eyes and awareness when your line is blowing open holes that big. CJ Spiller?
BuffaloBillsForever Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 A disaster? Brah... Come on. Now you're just trying to be crazy. This guy? The guy that has been healthy ONCE in his 5 year career
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 No, I mean I've seen people point out that we could use one...but not as a "need". Need isn't "nice to have". I can't stand these analyses that list positions: C, WR, DT....as if merely listing the position means the need is the same. When we had Lee Evans, and nobody, we had a need at WR. I fail to see how WR on this team even compares/comes close to that need. By definition, these two situations are NOT the same. Therefore, slapping WR onto our "draft needs" and pretending it's the same is patently retarded. Yawn
OCinBuffalo Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 A disaster? Brah... Come on. Now you're just trying to be crazy. Why do I get the feeling that this thread is essentially a conversation with one actual poster and his 2 sock puppets...interspersed with a few other genuine posters?
todd Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Whaley has gone full retard now. Lots of great soundbites. Maybe you should support your positions with actual facts and stuff. I mean, I know facts are tough things, but let's hear them!
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 I haven't seen anybody but you say WR is a need. Moreover, you said what you said: "lack of talent at WR". That is no different than saying: "Please use the word obtuse in a sentence". OK, I'll say it. I think WR is a need. We have Watkins, Woods, and the oft-injured member of the 2016 Olympics squad. Hogan has moved on, Easley was never all-that-and-chips as a WR and may not be back this year. I also think there are still WR out there and will be more. That said, at this stage of the draft, Whaley's emerging signature is to comb the late rounds for what they see as sleeper, high risk/high reward guys. That's how we got Seantrel Henderson and Karlos Williams. Players like Cardale Jones (all the talent in the world, ?s about his work habits and committment) and Jonathan Williams (?s due to broken foot last season, 1000 yds previous season) fit that signature.
CommonCents Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 This guy? The guy that has been healthy ONCE in his 5 year career So that means Gronk has only been healthy 3 times in his career, he blows.
OCinBuffalo Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Yawn Yeah, great comeback. We ended up taking a WR...just now. And they are talking about us taking him as a great BPA pick...noplace did they say we had a Need. If anything, they said we had great talent at WR...and that this guy was going to get a chance to develop/situation guy/special teams guy. Compare that with Shaq is a "first day starter". Then, tell me more about "need".
BuffaloBillsForever Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 So that means Gronk has only been healthy 3 times in his career, he blows. OK. Now compare Clay's pedestrian numbers vs. Gronk's elite offensive numbers throughout their NFL careers. Now compare salaries.
todd Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Whaley is not a very good GM. It's not a surprise. Whaley is an excellent GM. I'd love to hear some support for statements like that rather than one-liner punts.
CommonCents Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 OK. Now compare Clay's pedestrian numbers vs. Gronk's elite offensive numbers throughout their NFL careers. Now compare salaries. Compare salaries? So when you say something totally off base you just change the topic of what you originally brought to the table. No thanks I'm not hungry for foolishness.
OCinBuffalo Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) OK, I'll say it. I think WR is a need. We have Watkins, Woods, and the oft-injured member of the 2016 Olympics squad. Hogan has moved on, Easley was never all-that-and-chips as a WR and may not be back this year. I also think there are still WR out there and will be more. That said, at this stage of the draft, Whaley's emerging signature is to comb the late rounds for what they see as sleeper, high risk/high reward guys. That's how we got Seantrel Henderson and Karlos Williams. Players like Cardale Jones (all the talent in the world, ?s about his work habits and committment) and Jonathan Williams (?s due to broken foot last season, 1000 yds previous season) fit that signature. Compare our WRs today...to Lee Evans and...?(otherwise known for 4 years as: Josh Reed/Roscoe Parrish.) Then tell me that we have an actual NEED at WR. Please. It's not even close. You always want quality players, espeically in today's game, on the outside positions. But, by that definition, we might as well put CB, WR, TE, and DE as "needs" for every draft, forever. Edited April 30, 2016 by OCinBuffalo
BuffaloBillsForever Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) Compare salaries? So when you say something totally off base you just change the topic of what you originally brought to the table. No thanks I'm not hungry for foolishness. If you can't realize they are two totally different players even with injuries then I don't know what to say. Clay is an injury prone player putting up middle tier AT BEST offensive numbers making tier 1 TE money. Gronk is injury prone although less than Clay, putting up ELITE offensive numbers making tier 1 TE money. Edited April 30, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever
todd Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 People don't have to agree about talent evaluation or play calling or whatever, but this kind of mindless knee-jerk name calling - what value do you think it adds here? If you know something about the guy and you think it's a bad choice for educated reasons, state what they are Otherwise, why not STFU? Generally reading the comments this draft week makes me think that people are generally stupid, or at least go "full retard" whenever they approach a keyboard. I'm amazed at how many people think of the success of a draft in terms of what a player can do THIS YEAR vs. planning for the future. I don't profess to know much about the draft or evaluating players, but I do know abou the Bills, their needs, and their needs 2 or 3 down the road. Do you want to be successful? Plan ahead.
Bill from NYC Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 might as well go all in now, as long as we ignore the hole at RT and lack of talent at WR we are golden to become the Buddy Ryan Eagles.Yeah, they really should have addressed RT and even depth at guard. Same old song by a different band. I don't however think that this selection was a bad one. We might need this kid sooner than later due to injuries.
BADOLBILZ Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Odd choice because of the depth there but he can play. I hate to pass on a DL value in this draft but without the running game Roman's offense falls apart completely and McCoy is breaking down and Karlos is in that Percy Harvin category......dangerous but one play from retirement. Gillislee is the most likely back to give you close to a full season and that just isn't enough. Any mock draft I completed without a late RB just hasn't felt right. You don't need a great RB to make it roll but they gotta' be willing to cut the ball up inside the hashes when it's there like MG and Karlos. That's where the HR's are in this rush offense. This is that kind of guy.
3rdand12 Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Incredible cutting ability. Impressive very good getting his steps short before the cuts, which i why i mentioned vision
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