BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 NT in the 2nd round? Seriously? No. More like 5th round. Billings comes to mind. Agree and Disagree. Billings will be selected tonight, but I'll take Ioannidis or Reader tomorrow as a better value depending who's around at pick 49.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 I thought Billings was projected as a mid rounder? Or was that Reader? I guess my point is don't waste a 2nd round pick on a system player. A NT of all positions. No thanks. Billings is a fringe 1st-2nd rounder grade-wise
YoloinOhio Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) Did he specify LB or just say he's setting the egde opposite of Hughes?Set the edge opposite of HughesRush speed to power Will give them second rusher off edge Versatility to go inside in nickel and sub-packages vs interior OL 5 technique on passing downs Stand up OLB either right or left Can rush from inside or out Those are Whaley's direct quotes from last night Edited April 29, 2016 by YoloinOhio
H2o Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 Someone did something like this with Nkemdiche and I like it for Lawson too 3-4 Base Shaq NT Dareus Lawson Hughes Z Brown P Brown Nickel Shaq WIlliams Dareus Hughes Z Brown P Brown Gives Williams some rest while not asking too much from your NT or Lawson. I wonder what others think. Plug in Jack at LB and Reader at NT and this defense looks sick
Rockinon Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) Someone did something like this with Nkemdiche and I like it for Lawson too 3-4 Base Shaq NT Dareus Lawson Hughes Z Brown P Brown Nickel Shaq WIlliams Dareus Hughes Z Brown P Brown Gives Williams some rest while not asking too much from your NT or Lawson. I wonder what others think. Don't see this happening. Moving a nose tackle on and off the field shows your hand. The DLinemen need to be able to play multiple positions. I tend to think that Dareus will still be a nose and a DE. Shaq will be a DE/LB. Kyle could even play nose occasionally. Edited April 29, 2016 by Rockinon
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 Set the edge opposite of Hughes Rush speed to power Will give them second rusher off edge Versatility to go inside in nickel and sub-packages vs interior OL 5 technique on passing downs Stand up OLB either right or left Can rush from inside or out Those are Whaley's direct quotes from last night Thanks!
BobbyC81 Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 Set the edge opposite of Hughes Rush speed to power Will give them second rusher off edge Versatility to go inside in nickel and sub-packages vs interior OL 5 technique on passing downs Stand up OLB either right or left Can rush from inside or out Those are Whaley's direct quotes from last night So is Whaley involved in coaching now? Let the guy get on the practice field at least before it's determined how he's going to be used. Now that we have Shaq, I want to ask the defense minded posters a simple question: How the hell do we use him? Yes, I get that he is an edge rusher. But he is a rather different player than Mario Williams. How do you balance him with with a more speed rusher with Hughes, and two very different tackles in Dareus and Kyle. Do you try to get to the front you had with Pettine? Do you take a DE or NT and try to replicate the 46 defense? Something entirely different? Now that we have Shaq, can we find a Kobe? There's actually a Kolby, Listenbee, a WR from TCU.
YoloinOhio Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) So is Whaley involved in coaching now? Let the guy get on the practice field at least before it's determined how he's going to be used. may want to listen to the interview before critizing. Rex wasn't at the presser and Whaley asked how he was going to be used. He answered. He also said it was up to the coaches and he was just providing a high level overview for the media and fans. Before a draft pick is made, the GM is fully aware of how the player is intended to be used within the scheme in relation to the unit. They have been having meetings on this for many months. While it could vary after they take the practice field, it isn't a stretch to lay out the plan as he did. Edited April 29, 2016 by YoloinOhio
3rdand12 Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 I think you'll see Dareus where you have Shaq - he's best at that spot - Kyle where you have Dareus - Barnes/draft pick at the nose and Shaq where you have Lawson. I think thats quite viable as configuration too
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 29, 2016 Author Posted April 29, 2016 I'm kind of answering my own question, but I'm looking at the write up Quinn did on Pettine's system. http://buffalofambase.org/2013/04/09/inside-mike-pettines-playbook-part-two-the-3-4-as-a-personnel-group/
John from Riverside Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 Billings is still on the board So is Whaley involved in coaching now? Let the guy get on the practice field at least before it's determined how he's going to be used. Now that we have Shaq, can we find a Kobe? There's actually a Kolby, Listenbee, a WR from TCU. What would you rather have Whaley say.....he is trying to get the fan base excited about the pick....."you will need to ask Rex" just doesnt quite have the same ring to it.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 So is Whaley involved in coaching now? Let the guy get on the practice field at least before it's determined how he's going to be used. Now that we have Shaq, can we find a Kobe? There's actually a Kolby, Listenbee, a WR from TCU. Discussions between the coaching staff and scouting staff/GM related to player utilization happen as a routine part of the team's draft process. There should be zero heartburn with what he said.
Cover 1 Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 Now that we have Shaq, I want to ask the defense minded posters a simple question: How the hell do we use him? Yes, I get that he is an edge rusher. But he is a rather different player than Mario Williams. How do you balance him with with a more speed rusher with Hughes, and two very different tackles in Dareus and Kyle. Do you try to get to the front you had with Pettine? Do you take a DE or NT and try to replicate the 46 defense? Something entirely different? 3-4 all the way, check out why I think that my friend. http://www.cover1.net/2016/04/cover-1-film-room-shaq-lawson/
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 Plug in Jack at LB and Reader at NT and this defense looks sick Man you aint kidding......
3rdand12 Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 3-4 all the way, check out why I think that my friend. http://www.cover1.net/2016/04/cover-1-film-room-shaq-lawson/ this is why a run pluggin' fat kid is a need. Talking to you K-9. better yet if he can disrupt the C and Gs.
BobbyC81 Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 may want to listen to the interview before critizing. Rex wasn't at the presser and Whaley asked how he was going to be used. He answered. He also said it was up to the coaches and he was just providing a high level overview for the media and fans. Before a draft pick is made, the GM is fully aware of how the player is intended to be used within the scheme in relation to the unit. They have been having meetings on this for many months. While it could vary after they take the practice field, it isn't a stretch to lay out the plan as he did. I wasn't criticizing, she being a smarta$$.
KOKBILLS Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 Billings is a fringe 1st-2nd rounder grade-wise He's a special, special kind of NT no question...If he was the Bills pick at #49 I would be fine with it for sure...
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Joe Buscaglia @JoeBuscaglia 17s18 seconds ago #Bills GM Doug Whaley: Ragland and Preston Brown will be on the field at the same time. Ragland will play the WILL. Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills 56s56 seconds ago Whaley - we started w/ACC Player of Yr. we added SEC Defensive POY in Ragland. We're excited about what we've done with our defense. #Bills
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Joe Buscaglia @JoeBuscaglia 2m2 minutes ago Whaley said he expects Washington, Dareus, and Kyle Williams to be versatile and play all three positions on the D-line.
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