birdog1960 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Lawson could absolutely refuse to have surgery. And he might have done fine without it, wearing a brace. Hence the reason Whaley praised him for changing his mind. Or Jaylon Smith, who still has foot drop 4 months after surgery. yes, but our guys surgery will go better. why? because were the bills? yep. that's it. or was it that young athletes always do well after surgery?
QCity Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 So it appears that Lawson didn't want to have surgery but the team forced it on him after what happened in practice. Of course he didn't want to have surgery, it would have dropped him to the 2nd round and cost him millions. Kudos to him and his agent, he got paid. When he hurt it playing against air, there was really no other choice, despite what the front office wants you to believe. "We want to commend Shaq Lawson..." is anybody gullible enough to believe that?
Augie Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 yes, but our guys surgery will go better. why? because were the bills? yep. that's it. or was it that young athletes always do well after surgery? Because foot drop and nerve damage in a knee is a bigger deal than the shoulder surgery? This was amusing for a while, and it is offseason, but at some point.....
BringBackFergy Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 When Whaley said Shaq would be a starter right off the bus...which bus is he on and how long is it??
Augie Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 When he hurt it playing against air, there was really no other choice, despite what the front office wants you to believe. "We want to commend Shaq Lawson..." is anybody gullible enough to believe that? Honestly, the wording was a significant PR gaffe. But the underlying facts (as we know them) don't concern me nearly as much. The commendation was for giving in and getting the shoulder fixed now rather than playing with it as he did for four years in college. Lawson was used to dealing with it and wanted to play. Why can't people understand that?
birdog1960 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Because foot drop and nerve damage in a knee is a bigger deal than the shoulder surgery? This was amusing for a while, and it is offseason, but at some point..... Because foot drop and nerve damage in a knee is a bigger deal than the shoulder surgery? This was amusing for a while, and it is offseason, but at some point..... yeah, there are nerves in the upper arm as well. i don't think anyone will be amused if lawson's are injured. Edited May 19, 2016 by birdog1960
K-9 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 yeah, there are nerves in the upper arm as well. i don't think anyone will be amused if lawson's are injured. Oh for phuck sake. You are really trying too hard now. You decry the lack of civility in the discourse and then come up with this deliberate attempt to obfuscate. Good luck with that. GO BILLS!!!
birdog1960 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Oh for phuck sake. You are really trying too hard now. You decry the lack of civility in the discourse and then come up with this deliberate attempt to obfuscate. Good luck with that. GO BILLS!!! really? do you think his consent form left out possible nerve injury?
What a Tuel Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Honestly, the wording was a significant PR gaffe. But the underlying facts (as we know them) don't concern me nearly as much. The commendation was for giving in and getting the shoulder fixed now rather than playing with it as he did for four years in college. Lawson was used to dealing with it and wanted to play. Why can't people understand that? Because they can't imagine that there are conversations and discussions that take place outside of their earshot. They have trouble filling in the gaps, and then their minds begin to wander. Maybe it's the Bills fault, but they are still acting ridiculously.
Augie Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 yeah, there are nerves in the upper arm as well. i don't think anyone will be amused if lawson's are injured. Well they'd have to make a point of doing the nerve damage during surgery, since his nerves are fine. I hope his future wife isn't worried about an accidental vasectomy while he's under. Smith already has the friggin nerve damage. THAT is the injury people worry about. One that he HAS, not might get. Not an ACL or MCL. Existing NERVE damage. No one worries about an ACL tear surgery resulting in nerve damage. Could it happen? Maybe, but it's not a real fear for rational people. Do you know anyone with foot drop? Or common sense even? Enough of the silliness for me. It must amuse you that enough people are bored enough to play along this far.
Doc Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) yes, but our guys surgery will go better. why? because were the bills? yep. that's it. or was it that young athletes always do well after surgery? Lawson didn't suffer a nasty injury like Smith did. And there have been no reports of nerve damage. If there is, or any other setbacks occur, we can talk then. Of course he didn't want to have surgery, it would have dropped him to the 2nd round and cost him millions. Kudos to him and his agent, he got paid. When he hurt it playing against air, there was really no other choice, despite what the front office wants you to believe. "We want to commend Shaq Lawson..." is anybody gullible enough to believe that? I meant he could have had surgery anytime between when he entered college to before the 2015 season. And sure there was a choice: he could have played through it like he did in college and had surgery next off-season. Edited May 19, 2016 by Doc
26CornerBlitz Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Lawson didn't suffer a nasty injury like Smith did. And there have been no reports of nerve damage. If there is, or any other setbacks occur, we can talk then.
birdog1960 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 a truly interesting character in world history. much to debate involving him. i'll wager we'd be on different sides on most issues. have a go?
K-9 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 a truly interesting character in world history. much to debate involving him. i'll wager we'd be on different sides on most issues. have a go? Not nearly as interesting as his father and Mohammad Mossaddegh, imo. Reza was a tool set up in a puppet government by us and the British, nothing more. But this probably isn't the place for it. GO BILLS!!!
birdog1960 Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Not nearly as interesting as his father and Mohammad Mossaddegh, imo. Reza was a tool set up in a puppet government by us and the British, nothing more. But this probably isn't the place for it. GO BILLS!!! that'd be a good place to start. he ruled persia for many years. his actions still haunt us today. perhaps debakey.... to ppp?
Deranged Rhino Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Because foot drop and nerve damage in a knee is a bigger deal than the shoulder surgery? This was amusing for a while, and it is offseason, but at some point..... You're arguing with a DOCTOR who compared spleen surgery 37 years ago on a 60 year old cancer patient to labrum surgery in 2016 on a healthy professional athlete as if they were the same -- clearly Bird has no understanding of human anatomy. Which is TERRIFYING considering his profession.
John from Riverside Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 The train has left the station We drafted him He has had is surgery Time to look forward to getting Shaq onto the field
NickelCity Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 So if I'm understanding this correctly, we're !@#$ed, right?
Nanker Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 For the record, I've had five shoulder surgeries - three on the left and two on the right. The last one ten years ago was a total joint replacement. I never suffered any nerve damage as a result of any of those surgeries. And, I'm not the Shah of Iran, but I sometimes play one on the Intarwebs.
4merper4mer Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 For the record, I've had five shoulder surgeries - three on the left and two on the right. The last one ten years ago was a total joint replacement. I never suffered any nerve damage as a result of any of those surgeries. And, I'm not the Shah of Iran, but I sometimes play one on the Intarwebs. So you're saying Lawson will not only have to get surgery again later in his career but now his other shoulder is messed up too?
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