ganesh Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 I give EJ more credit for shaking it off and mounting the comeback. That throw to Easley was a thing of beauty. But of course, we all know EJ sucks and has no ability at all. Also we should not forget that the dense sucked in the 4th quarter when EJ did give the Bills the lead.
dave mcbride Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Also we should not forget that the dense sucked in the 4th quarter when EJ did give the Bills the lead. That's not really true at all -- it was all on the refs. That atrocious, atrocious call on Robey cost the Bills the game.
Freddie's Dead Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Also we should not forget that the dense sucked in the 4th quarter when EJ did give the Bills the lead. Nahhh, it was all EJ's fault that they let Blake #$%^ing Bortles drive 80 yards for the win.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Nahhh, it was all EJ's fault that they let Blake #$%^ing Bortles drive 80 yards for the win.Bortles had 35 TDs and 4,500 yards last year!! He was really good. You can't hand a team 21 points to start the game and not be the problem with losing.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Who was better last year, the Denver Broncos or the Indianapolis Colts? This was a bad example when Beerball used it and it still is now. The Colts and Broncos aren't in the same division and only played once. Any team can get lucky in the NFL once, but beating a team twice -- especially a divisional opponent who knows you well -- is much more difficult and is a lot less flukey.
FireChan Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) This was a bad example when Beerball used it and it still is now. The Colts and Broncos aren't in the same division and only played once. Any team can get lucky in the NFL once, but beating a team twice -- especially a divisional opponent who knows you well -- is much more difficult and is a lot less flukey.Does this mean the Pats and Jets were just as good as each other then? Rams are better than the Seahawks? Edited May 1, 2016 by FireChan
machine gun kelly Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 It's lost a lot of leverage this weekend (trying to bring the conversation back to the original post). If the Jets are smart, they acquiesce a little and offer $10 mil, Fitz balls, and then they settle at $11 mil two year deal, with $12 mil guaranteed. That is very fair, and both feel they won. That puts the Jets on the hook for at most one year with an option to take the second if Fitz performs.
Beerball Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Hackenberg to the Jets! Your move Fitz! Is this a for real post? You're too football smart to make a comment like this.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Is this a for real post? You're too football smart to make a comment like this. Very real. While Hack won't be ready as a starting QB in 2016, it appears from the reporting that the Jets are no longer willing to offer him a multi-year deal as they think he's nothing more than a bridge to the future beginning in 2017. Edited May 1, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz
Beerball Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 This was a bad example when Beerball used it and it still is now. The Colts and Broncos aren't in the same division and only played once. Any team can get lucky in the NFL once, but beating a team twice -- especially a divisional opponent who knows you well -- is much more difficult and is a lot less flukey. You really are trying to piss me off today, aren't you? Very real. While Hack won't be ready as a starting QB in 2016, it appears form the reporting that the Jets are no longer willing to offer him a multi-year deal as they think he's nothing more than a bridge to the future beginning in 2017. The jets are, at this time, !@#$ed. I like that. The jets will be much less !@#$ed if Fitz signs there. Your extreme dislike for the player (one who I was very happy to see leave these parts) is clouding your football judgement. All you want is to say "nana nana poopoo I was right, Fitz sucks." Sorry, don't get it.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 You really are trying to piss me off today, aren't you? The jets are, at this time, !@#$ed. I like that. The jets will be much less !@#$ed if Fitz signs there. Your extreme dislike for the player (one who I was very happy to see leave these parts) is clouding your football judgement. All you want is to say "nana nana poopoo I was right, Fitz sucks." Sorry, don't get it. Number 1 thing is I do not dislike Fitz at all. While a fantastic guy, he's a mediocre QB who cannot lead a team to the playoffs. The Jets are better off with him vs. any other alternative they have for this season, but it's clear to them as it should be to anyone else that he is not the long term answer. Not sure why that is so hard to get.
eball Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Very real. While Hack won't be ready as a starting QB in 2016, it appears from the reporting that the Jets are no longer willing to offer him a multi-year deal as they think he's nothing more than a bridge to the future beginning in 2017. Yup. The Jets' drafting of Hack was the equivalent of Buddy's prank phone call -- it has now soured the water and let Fitz know he's not anyone's long term answer.
ALF Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Jets are over the cap by $2M if draft pool is counted Hoyer signed with Bears To re-sign Fitz they need a lot more cap room With the draft deep at DL , looks like no one would trade for Wilkerson http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/ Edited May 1, 2016 by ALF
Beerball Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Number 1 thing is I do not dislike Fitz at all. While a fantastic guy, he's a mediocre QB who cannot lead a team to the playoffs. The Jets are better off with him vs. any other alternative they have for this season, but it's clear to them as it should be to anyone else that he is not the long term answer. Not sure why that is so hard to get. I'd wager the next 2 seasons at the very least. Unless Petty has something that only the jets know about they are stuck with a very good HC and no QB. We on the other hand...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 I'd wager the next 2 seasons at the very least. Unless Petty has something that only the jets know about they are stuck with a very good HC and no QB. We on the other hand... You might be right as I can understand why people would doubt the viability of Hack ever being an NFL caliber starter. Geno doesn't look like the answer and Petty is lightyears away. We'll see. OTOH, I like Tyrod's chances over anyone that they have under consideration as a long term solution to their QB futility. We can only wait to see what unfolds. Yup. The Jets' drafting of Hack was the equivalent of Buddy's prank phone call -- it has now soured the water and let Fitz know he's not anyone's long term answer. Exactly my point.
eball Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) I'd wager the next 2 seasons at the very least. Unless Petty has something that only the jets know about they are stuck with a very good HC and no QB. We on the other hand... Do we really already know Bowles is a "very good" HC? Serious question, because, you know, Rex's first two seasons... Edited May 1, 2016 by eball
Beerball Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 You might be right as I can understand why people would doubt the viability of Hack ever being an NFL caliber starter. Geno doesn't look like the answer and Petty is lightyears away. We'll see. I'm not in a position to doubt Hackenberg's long term viability, but, I do doubt that he's ready next year. I'd venture year 3 if at all. Do we really already know Bowles is a "very good" HC? Serious question, because, you know, Rex's first two seasons... I believe he is. I also know that I'm probably too rough on Rex. He just has so many warts.
Freddie's Dead Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 The Jest are #$%^ing it up with Fitz, and that's good news for us. No way they get to 10-6 with Geno, Petty, or Hack. Too bad Fitz is left out in the cold. Good for Fitz for sticking to his guns and waiting for what he's worth.
Doc Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Very real. While Hack won't be ready as a starting QB in 2016, it appears from the reporting that the Jets are no longer willing to offer him a multi-year deal as they think he's nothing more than a bridge to the future beginning in 2017. This. The Jets didn't take Hack in the 2nd to be a backup long-term and Fitz is likely looking for more money and years than they will want to spend. They probably also realize that they got a career year out of him which is unlikely to be duplicated. What's more, they'll need to create a lot of cap room just to accommodate him (see below) even for a doubling of his salary, at the years they would want (2). He lost a ton of leverage and his options are to take what they're offering, not that they probably can offer much (see below), wait for a starter to go down, or retire. It will be interesting to see which he chooses but the middle one is most likely. Jets are over the cap by $2M if draft pool is counted Hoyer signed with Bears To re-sign Fitz they need a lot more cap room With the draft deep at DL , looks like no one would trade for Wilkerson http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/ The Jets are in a bind here. Their only options are to cut him, which would be dumb since he's their best defensive player or extend him, but that will take beaucoup dollars. Meaning they still have a ton of cap room if they want to add Fitz. They'll have to go with who they have.
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