KD in CA Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 And the Jets DO have a market for his services and a need. Fitz can just not play, you know. Can the Jets just as easily start Geno? Yes they can, just as they were prepared to do last season. You think Fitz will be happy retiring? And that's why the Jets have leverage, even if that reality continues to baffle people here. Everyone assumes they'll eventually work it out. The question is at what price.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 If only we could have had such a QB on the Bills...oh, wait a minute! Haha. Personally, I think Fitz would have been better playing with Watkins, Clay, and Woods than Johnson, Chandler, Jones, and Nelson. I don't know why it's so hard to say Fitz had a good year last year. Bills fans shouldn't be putting down a season like that when it has been better than any qb we've had in a long time. Thankfully, the Jets are a joke of franchise.
FireChan Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 Yes they can, just as they were prepared to do last season. You think Fitz will be happy retiring? And that's why the Jets have leverage, even if that reality continues to baffle people here. Everyone assumes they'll eventually work it out. The question is at what price. I think Fitz may be happy waiting until someone else pays him backup money if a QB goes down by Week 4. What's the difference? The Jets have no leverage.
Luxy312 Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 Depending on the absolute truth, either the Jets or Fitz could have leverage. If the Jets are fine with starting Geno Smith in lieu of paying Fitz, then they hold the cards. They can't force him to sign with them, but the likelihood of another starting opportunity for him isn't likely there. On the flip side, if they're not and Fitz is truly willing to retire versus taking less money, then he's got the leverage. Either way, NY is it's usual **** show!
KD in CA Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 I think Fitz may be happy waiting until someone else pays him backup money if a QB goes down by Week 4. What's the difference? The Jets have no leverage. So Fitz would rather take $4-$5M to be a backup than $7-$10M to be a starter? I highly doubt that. If the Jets had no leverage, Fitz would have been signed months ago -- by someone.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 @MarkCannizzaro Contrary to reports of low-ball #Jets offer to #Fitz, #NFL sources tell The Post offer on table is 3-yr w/ $12 million for first year ...
4merper4mer Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 @MarkCannizzaro Contrary to reports of low-ball #Jets offer to #Fitz, #NFL sources tell The Post offer on table is 3-yr w/ $12 million for first year ... When Osweiler gets $18M and Bradford gets half a billion, that number is low. If Fitz plays in 2016, he is likely to outperform both of those guys.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 @NFLosophy Is Fitz's talent worth $12M this year? In a vacuum, it's debatable. In context, as NYJ want him as a starter, it's a lowball offer.
YoloinOhio Posted May 27, 2016 Author Posted May 27, 2016 @cianaf "You're one of the least accurate, most interception prone QBs in the league we can only give you $12 million." "I deserve more!" The under-appreciated part of all this is that last year was almost definitely Fitz's ceiling. It's like having a choice between jumping off a bridge, a skyscraper or from a plane. One isn't better than the other.
3rdand12 Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 Good piece. I have no idea what the Jets are thinking. Whatever one thinks of Fitzpatrick, he is without question better than the Jets' alternatives. I have said a few times, at least, jets really messed up. Regardless of Fitzy's value perceived and real. Jets need him by now. I truly find this standoff interesting though. if I was a jets fan i would be freaking out. Depending on the absolute truth, either the Jets or Fitz could have leverage. If the Jets are fine with starting Geno Smith in lieu of paying Fitz, then they hold the cards. They can't force him to sign with them, but the likelihood of another starting opportunity for him isn't likely there. On the flip side, if they're not and Fitz is truly willing to retire versus taking less money, then he's got the leverage. Either way, NY is it's usual **** show! This is as plain as it can be. But i am a simple person. the story was different earlier and much more complex. now its down to this. Good post 312 When Osweiler gets $18M and Bradford gets half a billion, that number is low. If Fitz plays in 2016, he is likely to outperform both of those guys. actually i think that is as best you could hope for, for both parties Now you would think this obvious truth would be overwhelmingly obvious, but a good number of posters here cannot grasp this. Or their distaste for Fitz forces them into aggressive disingenuity. You used the word obvious twice in one sentence.
Saxum Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 It's like having a choice between jumping off a bridge, a skyscraper or from a plane. One isn't better than the other. Actually there is a big difference in survival rates (skyscraper is worst) depending upon details. But exaggerate all you want if you do not have facts to back them up. Whether Bills fans like it or not he has been hired by multiple teams and that is what is important not fans opinions.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 The Bills are very familiar with Fitz. They let him walk. Not exactly. Fitz stormed out in a huff over the infamous fake Tampa GM call where Buddy Nix spoke honestly of Fitz and said he should take a pay cut.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 @cianaf "You're one of the least accurate, most interception prone QBs in the league we can only give you $12 million." "I deserve more!" The under-appreciated part of all this is that last year was almost definitely Fitz's ceiling. It's like having a choice between jumping off a bridge, a skyscraper or from a plane. One isn't better than the other. How many people thought he would throw 30 tds after he left buffalo? Another year in a system with an OC he really like throwing to Marshall, Decker, and adding one of the best receiving rbs in the NFL. I'd rather not have him be the qb of the Jets.
FireChan Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 So Fitz would rather take $4-$5M to be a backup than $7-$10M to be a starter? I highly doubt that. If the Jets had no leverage, Fitz would have been signed months ago -- by someone. Yes. He's a smart guy. Why get underpaid to get beat up all year when he can leave $1M on the table and sit pretty. What do you not understand about the Jets having no leverage even if no other team wants Fitz? They want Fitz. They are the only market that matters.
BADOLBILZ Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 And threw 3 picks against a non-playoff division rival in week 17 to blow a playoff berth? Considering how people here are still ranting about the week 17 loss in 2004 I can guess the reaction. If it's so laughable, why hasn't another team scooped him up? Why isn't he the starter right now for Cleveland or Denver? What everyone keeps forgetting (or ignoring) is there is no other market for his services aside from the Jets, so he doesn't fit into the standard QB salary scale. Cleveland has no interest in Fitz willing them out of the top pick in next years draft the way he did for the Bills in Chan year 1........the year they were the least talented team in football and by all rights should have been the team to get Cam Newton(or Andrew Luck if he'd come out). And he's overqualified for the Broncos job. We've been thru this.
KD in CA Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 Yes. He's a smart guy. Why get underpaid to get beat up all year when he can leave $1M on the table and sit pretty. What do you not understand about the Jets having no leverage even if no other team wants Fitz? They want Fitz. They are the only market that matters. $1M? Nice math skills. And what I understand that you apparently don't is the Jets want Fitz at a certain price and not above. You know, the same way every personnel decision gets made. Cleveland has no interest in Fitz willing them out of the top pick in next years draft the way he did for the Bills in Chan year 1........the year they were the least talented team in football and by all rights should have been the team to get Cam Newton(or Andrew Luck if he'd come out). And he's overqualified for the Broncos job. We've been thru this. Can't believe I'm back in a Fitz thread. Just sign him already so we can end this misery!
Saxum Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 Their team (not just Fitz) was terrible against the Bills and cannot be due to Bills coaches since experts on the wall (yes they got their diploma on Madden but wasn't Madden an honorary professor?) so they need to figure out how, Fitz or no Fitz, to beat the Bills. They beat better teams than the Bills so something about the match-up is bad for them. This seems to happen a lot in NFL, interdivision game results being not what expected.
Doc Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 Now you would think this obvious truth would be overwhelmingly obvious, but a good number of posters here cannot grasp this. Or their distaste for Fitz forces them into aggressive disingenuity. You obviously haven't been paying attention if you think anyone is claiming Fitz isn't their best option, at least, in the short term. But what does that get them? A few more wins and missing out on the playoffs again, at the expense of cutting players or extending old ones? What makes you, or anyone else, suddenly think that Fitz is a playoff caliber QB, much less a guy who can win a playoff game, much much less a guy who can win a SB? You used the word obvious twice in one sentence. He obviously didn't realize the obvious.
iinii Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Yes they can, just as they were prepared to do last season. You think Fitz will be happy retiring? And that's why the Jets have leverage, even if that reality continues to baffle people here. Everyone assumes they'll eventually work it out. The question is at what price. I think Fitz has made peace with his skill set and/or lack there of. The market has clearly shown his value. He continues to hold out for big money because he can. Why is that so baffling? And you know what they say about assumptions. Edited May 27, 2016 by iinii
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