May Day 10 Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Man - all the negativity is going to look bad when we finally win our Super Bowl. Maybe this year . . . or next, or next . . . . You CPU autocorrected "make the playoffs" to "win our super bowl"
thebandit27 Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 yes, look how prophetic that was! last year is now history and pretty disappointing history at that. rhino's first reference starts with the caveat of "if they had a qb". how can anyone possibly rank a roster exclusive of qb. this is bs designed to calm the masses of frustrated bills fans. and it appears to have at least in some small measure succeeded. if nothing else, we now can discard two sources as accurate talent evaluators. So you said initially that no independent sources had the Bills as a talented team, but when presented with 3 different ones you decide to discredit them instead of admitting wrongfulness? Also, doesn't "if they had a QB" kind of get addressed by the fact that Taylor exceeded everyone's expectations by s country mile? Yes, you are indeed moving the goalposts
Deranged Rhino Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Rhino, those articles are a year old as you point out, and we ended 8-8. I doubt you will find a story this year listing how deep we are for 2016 Considering they're from the most recently completed off season, they're entirely relevant to bird's original (false) statement that no impartial expert or non expert observers have praised the Bills' talent as comparatively excellent or even good. We haven't even had the draft yet, let alone UDFA or June cuts. It's too early to predict what the expert observers (or non expert observers) will say. The articles just show bird's statement is unequivocally inaccurate. i'd say nfl.com (your reference) moved the goal posts. in what idiot universe does someone judge roster talent exclusive of the most important position? and who besides you would take that seriously? Your original statement was that no one said the Bills roster had talent. You're wrong, the links prove it. You can own it or you can change your argument.
thebandit27 Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) really? do you notice many impartial expert or nonexpert observers praising the bills' talent level as comparatively excellent or even good? i don't.^ this was the comment in case you needed to see it Even asked for "nonexperts", which you then chide Rhino for providing Edited April 28, 2016 by thebandit27
Rockinon Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 well, if Rotoworld says it......it must be true Seriously? They still think football is played with a round ball.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 ^ this was the comment in case you needed to see it
thebandit27 Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Hey, I'm fine with criticism, but incredulity in the face of being shown exactly what you asked for rankles me
birdog1960 Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Considering they're from the most recently completed off season, they're entirely relevant to bird's original (false) statement that no impartial expert or non expert observers have praised the Bills' talent as comparatively excellent or even good. We haven't even had the draft yet, let alone UDFA or June cuts. It's too early to predict what the expert observers (or non expert observers) will say. The articles just show bird's statement is unequivocally inaccurate. Your original statement was that no one said the Bills roster had talent. You're wrong, the links prove it. You can own it or you can change your argument. except I didn't say the bills talent exclusive of qb. what would motivate anyone to make such a statement? ooo, ooo, ooo , I know, I know (hand shoots up from the back of the kindergarten class).
Deranged Rhino Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Hey, I'm fine with criticism, but incredulity in the face of being shown exactly what you asked for rankles me Intellectual honesty isn't bird's strongest suit. except I didn't say the bills talent exclusive of qb. what would motivate anyone to make such a statement? ooo, ooo, ooo , I know, I know (hand shoots up from the back of the kindergarten class). So, you've opted to double down on changing your argument. Got it. Let's just ignore those articles were written before Taylor took a snap for the Bills. He won more games than he lost for the club and I think he's got a chance to be the answer at the position. But again, details...
BillsVet Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 This is the 3rd year they're in win now mode. 2014 saw the trading up for Watkins, which ultimately didn't make EJM better. Marrone was in his second season, as was Whaley, and new ownership came on board. 2015 saw the hiring of a big name HC and an off-season spending spree. 2016 didn't have the spending 2015 did, but without a playoff appearance, it's likely there's going to be changes. If a GM is doing the job correctly, they aren't in win-now mode for this long. Regardless, this is going to be an interesting season for the HC and GM. Their jobs should be on the line given all the resources their owner has provided. More than can be said for anyone before them.
birdog1960 Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Intellectual honesty isn't bird's strongest suit. So, you've opted to double down on changing your argument. Got it. Let's just ignore those articles were written before Taylor took a snap for the Bills. He won more games than he lost for the club and I think he's got a chance to be the answer at the position. But again, details... which makes them even less relevant or accurate. a talent e v a l that ignores the qb position is a zero. you're the one doubling down on linking such a ridiculous e v a l. 2 times zero is still zero. but hey, let's get back to denigrating the writer that ranked whaley 27th. because...well, just because.
metzelaars_lives Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Hopefully, people will take this seriously coming from you, Astro. I think Whaley has been nearly perfect since his arrival. In fact, the two three worst additions, in my opinion, had nothing to do with him. Indeed, all hail Whaley. indeed. Let me guess, Tyrod Taylor is one of the worst additions the Bills have made during Whaley's entire tenure. Pray tell, what were the other two.
Nihilarian Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Actually, most analysts were calling the Bills a top-5 team in talent last offseason. Great, a top five team in talent that went 8-8! Rex Ryan took the most talented, highest paid D-line in the league and made them look below average in his craptastic scheme. and yet here the Bills FO is at attempting to rebuild the defense to fit a 3-4 for Rex! Now, unless Whaley finds another Lawrence Taylor / Von Miller type with the 19th pick the defense will still probably be a bad defense again in 2016. A darn shame that Doug Whaley is tied to a bum who only knows how run a defense in his own lame way. Edited April 28, 2016 by Nihilarian
thebandit27 Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Great, a top five team in talent that went 8-8! Rex Ryan took the most talented, highest paid D-line in the league and made them look below average in his craptastic scheme. and yet here the Bills FO is at attempting to rebuild the defense to fit a 3-4 for Rex! Now, unless Whaley finds another Lawrence Taylor / Von Miller type with the 19th pick the defense will still probably be a bad defense again in 2016. A darn shame that Doug Whaley is tied to a bum who only knows how run a defense in his own lame way. So is this a criticism of Whaley for his personnel decisions, Ryan for his coaching style, or both?
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) All hail the Doug Whaley semi-annual "don't you think he's doing an incredible job" threads... http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/182116-please-change-titledoug-whaley/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/177501-grade-whaleys-job-performance/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/180645-whaleys-performance/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/167917-doug-whaley-approval-poll/ http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/184020-report-whaleys-job-is-safe/ Like they say, if you gotta ask.... Edited April 28, 2016 by Mr. WEO
KOKBILLS Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 You lost me at Rex and Rob Ryan. I had to But I think Rex was more Pegula than Whaley...
May Day 10 Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 We will see this season. If they do good, great. 7-9 wins, we will probably get one more kick at it. Whaley will get a shot to come out of the Tyrod/QB situation, Rex Ryan one more shot. I think it is very possible the wheels come off this season. If they do, I think it is important for them to cleanse the all the dead weight and failure in the front office and build from the top down. Maybe be at the bottom for a year or 2 while fixing the cap, and acquiring picks. I really wish they could have hired Andy Reid to run the show when the time came. Someone like that.
Astrobot Posted April 28, 2016 Author Posted April 28, 2016 Yeah I have no complaints with DW, none. Now if he could just trade McCoy and Gilmore to the Browns for the 8th pick, and their second and a 6th, I'd be happy. Tim- Your resulting mock: 1 8 Buffalo Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio St 1 19 Buffalo William Jackson CB Houston 2 32 Buffalo Vonn Bell SS Ohio St 2 49 Buffalo Adolphus Washington DT34 Ohio State 3 80 Buffalo Kyler Fackrell OLB34 Utah State 4 117 Buffalo Fahn Cooper OT Ole Miss 4 139 Buffalo T.J. Green FS Clemson 5 156 Buffalo Matt Ioannidis DE34 Temple 6 176 Buffalo Charone Peake WRF Clemson 6 192 Buffalo James Burgess ILB 6 218 Buffalo De'Runnya Wilson WRF Mississippi St
Nihilarian Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 So is this a criticism of Whaley for his personnel decisions, Ryan for his coaching style, or both? Re-read the last sentence.
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