thebandit27 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Ah, thanks guys. Both Jones and Butler have been on my radar. I think I almost prefer Butler. Is it just me, or when watching tape of Jones, doesnt he look like he is just half-assing it most of the time? I rarely see the explosion/speed that I hoped to. I've heard that about Jones, but to me effort doesn't look like a problem--he's got some pad level issues, and when he gets stood up he doesn't recover well, so I think it makes it look like he's quitting on the play. When Jones is on he's much better, Butler is almost always at 100% but isn't quite as good as Jones' best. Just my opinion. I think both are more suited for the late 20's to end of the first range, but we don't have a pick there yet so it'll come down to what the front office deems worthwhile. Good Chris Jones is a top-10 pick, and I think Rex is the kind of guy that can get him to play like Good Chris Jones more often than not. any chance you think Bama defensive players are seen as Duke basketball players? Combination of the system and how the player fit into it? Thus ultimately costing them draft spots? Nah--I think it's more about the player. For every Courtney Upshaw there's a Marcell Dareus.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 I've heard that about Jones, but to me effort doesn't look like a problem--he's got some pad level issues, and when he gets stood up he doesn't recover well, so I think it makes it look like he's quitting on the play. Good Chris Jones is a top-10 pick, and I think Rex is the kind of guy that can get him to play like Good Chris Jones more often than not. Nah--I think it's more about the player. For every Courtney Upshaw there's a Marcell Dareus. I don't disagree with that at all, I just think overall Chris Jones is more of a mid 20's pick.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/04/25/dl/ I'd be happy if he were the pick Rex said that to
ndirish1978 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 I think you're looking at Chris Jones as the best fit, though Vernon Butler has the same physical makeup--he's just not the same level of athlete that those guys are IMO. I'd be happy with either of those two in the first
BuffaninATL Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 my vote at 19 is Lawson if he is still available (not expecting him to be), followed by Nkemdiche or Reed. Bottom line is we need someone to free up Dareus unless we get the edge rusher. The dark horse for me at 19 is Billings who reportedly is the strongest D-lineman in the draft bar none. It may be a reach to take him at 19 unless the braintrust believes Billings is the lynchpin to free up Dareus. this is worth a look: IMO, the Bills were severely derelict in how they misused Dareus last year. Rex has to get a grip on that or else it matters not who we draft.
boater Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Lots of "Rex" talk in the thread. Rex has an indirect input in player selection. Here's the flow: Rex from a tactical coach point of view, tells Doug the general types of players he wants to win now Doug looks at it from a strategic point of view: a multi-year view, what the Coach wants.. salary cap.. quality of this and future future draft classes in various positions Doug makes the pick Tactical v. Strategic ... google it. Doug has been pretty damn good with the strategic. Rex? let's discuss in Jan 16.
KOKBILLS Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 It's less about size for me and more about that he doesn't fit the mold of what Rex usually likes in a 1st-round DLmen. He's got nowhere near the athleticism, length, or versatility of guys like Wilkerson and Richardson. It would be a big departure from what Rex has used effectively in the past. Agreed... If we are going off what Rex has sought in the past Vernon Butler, Chris Jones, and Nkemdiche are the fits...I like Jones best of the three because I think he can play more 0 and 1 technique than the other two...I would not touch Nkemdiche in the 1st...He scares me...
somnus00 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 To be fair to Reed, he was double teamed a LOT. Also he says that he wasn't asked to rush the QB very often. That said, he doesn't seem to play with the quickness needed to be a quality pass rusher. Personally, I'm not very high on some of the pass rushers in this draft like Spence or Lloyd. And while I see the amazing potential of Chris Jones or Nkemdiche, their work ethic scares me (a motivated Chris Jones would look great in a Bills uniform though). Overall, I really like Andrew Billings. He doesn't have the pass rush ability of Chris Jones, but he is strong and has quick feet. He can occupy blockers, get to the QB, and collapse the pocket. I think he's as close to complete as we could hope for at 19. Higher floor than Jones, but with a lower ceiling.
Nanker Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 my vote at 19 is Lawson if he is still available (not expecting him to be), followed by Nkemdiche or Reed. Bottom line is we need someone to free up Dareus unless we get the edge rusher. The dark horse for me at 19 is Billings who reportedly is the strongest D-lineman in the draft bar none. It may be a reach to take him at 19 unless the braintrust believes Billings is the lynchpin to free up Dareus. this is worth a look: IMO, the Bills were severely derelict in how they misused Dareus last year. Rex has to get a grip on that or else it matters not who we draft. He is disruptive!
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Unstoppable sounds good. Lets get him or Nkemdiche yay!!
section122 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 He is disruptive! At 24 seconds he drops to space. Then chases the receiver stride for stride for 30 yards. That was incredibly impressive! Followed directly a bury the QB sack. I know it is a highlight reel but that was a very well put together one. Never had to circle him or point out where he was just wait for the action!
BobbyC81 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Lots of "Rex" talk in the thread. Rex has an indirect input in player selection. Here's the flow: Rex from a tactical coach point of view, tells Doug the general types of players he wants to win now Doug looks at it from a strategic point of view: a multi-year view, what the Coach wants.. salary cap.. quality of this and future future draft classes in various positions Doug makes the pick Tactical v. Strategic ... google it. Doug has been pretty damn good with the strategic. Rex? let's discuss in Jan 16. Come on. Forget all of that! Rex will be wearing his Clemson helmet in the draft room and the pick will be either Shaq Lawson or Kevin Dodd. If they're both gone then maybe Mackensie Alexander.
CommonCents Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Come on. Forget all of that! Rex will be wearing his Clemson helmet in the draft room and the pick will be either Shaq Lawson or Kevin Dodd. If they're both gone then maybe Mackensie Alexander. Elway had CHJ and Talib then went on to draft Bradley Roby in the first! Bring on Mackensie!!
Mr. WEO Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 This is a little out of your league WEO, it's not a Pats*** Love Fest thread. Did you come up with that all by yourself? Well done, sir. It's less about size for me and more about that he doesn't fit the mold of what Rex usually likes in a 1st-round DLmen. He's got nowhere near the athleticism, length, or versatility of guys like Wilkerson and Richardson. It would be a big departure from what Rex has used effectively in the past. I agree. My point was that weight is much closer to 370 than 307.
John from Riverside Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 He is disruptive! I am really wondering if we pass over Billings if we live to regret it Monster....absolute monster
boater Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Come on. Forget all of that! Rex will be wearing his Clemson helmet in the draft room and the pick will be either Shaq Lawson or Kevin Dodd. If they're both gone then maybe Mackensie Alexander. That's one opinion (Rex a draft dominator). I believe Doug is in charge on draft day... and I believe Rex is OK with that.
BuffaninATL Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 At 24 seconds he drops to space. Then chases the receiver stride for stride for 30 yards. That was incredibly impressive! Followed directly a bury the QB sack. I know it is a highlight reel but that was a very well put together one. Never had to circle him or point out where he was just wait for the action! that chasedown of the Kansas RB who caught the pass out of the backfield blew me away - Billings chased him 30 plus yards downfield for a tackle/push out of bounds. Insane for a man that size.
Beef Jerky Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Johnny Manziel told Haslam that "We will wreck the place" and he sure did what he said.
3rdand12 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 At 24 seconds he drops to space. Then chases the receiver stride for stride for 30 yards. That was incredibly impressive! Followed directly a bury the QB sack. I know it is a highlight reel but that was a very well put together one. Never had to circle him or point out where he was just wait for the action! Billings has to be on the radar. and high on the Whaley board.
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