YoloinOhio Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 The point kdiggz was making is that desperation might tempt them to sweeten the deal. The value chart is a nice tool but it's not a rule. exactly, the chart doesn't dictate anything
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) exactly, the chart doesn't dictate anything Starting point for me would be their 1st, 2nd, 5th for 19. Maybe even one of their 7ths to secure a PFA guy. Pay it or you're starting Mark Sanchez. Punish them for having a QB deficiency. Edited April 26, 2016 by Blokestradamus
nucci Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 It will if a team is desperate for a QB. For a regular player I would agree. If it was the Broncos trying to jump ahead of the Jets we could get their 2nd and 3rd and 4th like what they did to jump up for Tebow Possibly but that seems like a lot...maybe we find someone to really overpay
YoloinOhio Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) Starting point for me would be their 1st, 2nd, 5th for 19. Maybe even one of their 7ths to secure a PFA guy. Pay it or you're starting Mark Sanchez. Punish them for having a QB deficiency. right. does the chart factor in anything about positional or player value? If not I don't see how it can be used as anything but a starting point. The #4 pick was worth more in 2014 when Sammy Watkins was sitting there than the #4 pick was worth in 2013 when it was lane Johnson there or whoever. The #1 pick was worth more last year when Jameis Winston was there than it was this year when it is Goff or whoever. I would love for the Jets to get desperate. I think they know they will end up getting Fitz though at the price they want because he seemingly doesn't have options. Edited April 26, 2016 by YoloinOhio
Mr. WEO Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 Hey why not? Let's draft another first round QB who can't understand an NFL offense....
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 Take a good player at 19 and let the Jets deal with Lynch. That's a win win scenario. I don't see why Denver would overpay to move up when they could stay put and take a more pro ready QB like Cook. Cook could challenge Sanchez sooner, Lynch is going to need time and a few visits to the Wizard of Oz.
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 right. does the chart factor in anything about positional or player value? If not I don't see how it can be used as anything but a starting point. The #4 pick was worth more in 2014 when Sammy Watkins was sitting there than the #4 pick was worth in 2013 when it was lane Johnson there or whoever. The #1 pick was worth more last year when Jameis Winston was there than it was this year when it is Goff or whoever. I would love for the Jets to get desperate. I think they know they will end up getting Fitz though at the price they want because he seemingly doesn't have options. I think the value is implied more than anything. The better the player, the more you can ask for.
metzelaars_lives Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 A team determined to milk the process for picks would probably approach it this way: You feign interest to drive up the price, and you stay in contact with the player's agent on draft night. You keep in contact and find out when your target team is starting to make inquiries about moving up. At the same time, you pick a few targeted teams and gauge interest about moving up, just to see what it would take, all-the-while letting them know that Lynch is your guy. Then, when the time is right, you call your target move-down spot and tell them you aren't taking Lynch, but you'll move down with them as long as he's on the clock when you pick. It's gamesmanship, but that's not far from the reality of how it gets done. What'd you get this from Draft Day?
jahnyc Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 I think Lynch will go much earlier than most people here expect. Rare size and physical ability. Who knows about the rest. I don't think the Bills will want to trade the necessary assets to move up and take him if that is what it would take to get him.
r00tabaga Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 I like quite a few QBs this year. None are plug-in-&-play, but future stars in the league. Goff, Wentz, Jones, Hack' & Lynch.
WannabeGM Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 I hope this is a smokescreen. Totally reminds me of JP Losman.
thebandit27 Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 What'd you get this from Draft Day? I don't watch Kevin Costner Actually, Charlie Casserly talked about the process a few years back, and it always stuck with me
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 I don't watch Kevin Costner Actually, Charlie Casserly talked about the process a few years back, and it always stuck with me So it's a lot more fluid than I gave it credit for, if that's true about the agents being the go between for teams etc.
3rdand12 Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 Starting point for me would be their 1st, 2nd, 5th for 19. Maybe even one of their 7ths to secure a PFA guy. Pay it or you're starting Mark Sanchez. Punish them for having a QB deficiency. I want next years first too screw the 5th and 7ths. I like the way you think. Give them a 4th back right. does the chart factor in anything about positional or player value? If not I don't see how it can be used as anything but a starting point. The #4 pick was worth more in 2014 when Sammy Watkins was sitting there than the #4 pick was worth in 2013 when it was lane Johnson there or whoever. The #1 pick was worth more last year when Jameis Winston was there than it was this year when it is Goff or whoever. I would love for the Jets to get desperate. I think they know they will end up getting Fitz though at the price they want because he seemingly doesn't have options. Another team i would like to see abused in the draft Take a good player at 19 and let the Jets deal with Lynch. That's a win win scenario. I don't see why Denver would overpay to move up when they could stay put and take a more pro ready QB like Cook. Cook could challenge Sanchez sooner, Lynch is going to need time and a few visits to the Wizard of Oz. Careful what you wish for. IK no longer is in the Jets locker room
KOKBILLS Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 Can we please just fast-forward to Thursday...I'm warn out...
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 I want next years first too screw the 5th and 7ths. I like the way you think. Give them a 4th back You drive a hard bargain. Sure you don't want Elway's first born grandchild as well?
CommonCents Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) I want next years first too screw the 5th and 7ths. I like the way you think. Give them a 4th back Another team i would like to see abused in the draft Careful what you wish for. IK no longer is in the Jets locker room Oh no worries I was sending Lynch to the Wizard to get a brain not a jaw. Edited April 26, 2016 by Commonsense
Nanker Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 exactly, the chart doesn't dictate anything Except it did pay for Jimmy Johnson's hair styling for about two decades. Other than that... not so much.
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