K D Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 So Tyrod Taylor can't win a Super Bowl but just last season the Super Bowl was won by a team that literally got the worst quarterback play of any team in the entire league? Got it. Oh please lol. By one of the best defenses of all time. We don't even have the best defense in our division. Quit dreaming
Rockinon Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 No.. Unless TT puts up 5000 yards and 40 TDs I wouldn't be offering $20 mil per We are a running team, so that ain't happening anyway.
PromoTheRobot Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 We are a running team, so that ain't happening anyway. Exactly. And if TT did hit that milestone, people would say "do it again so to prove it's not a fluke."
section122 Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 Tyrod freaking Taylor....20 plus million. For a A playoff appearance. No dont think so. He needs a specific offense. I dont see a huge bidding war market over him. Im Whaley, i would play some hardball in those negotiations. Did you see the money Brock Osweiller got? He did much less than Tyrod has. He also is only a year younger. 20M is top 15 QB money... If he brings us to the playoffs, that puts him in a class among the 12 best teams, and credit is put on the QB play (bad as we know all to well) and good which clearly we don't know that well because we're concerned about paying a playoff QB top 15 money. Yes, Tyrod should be a 20M a year guy in this case. I looked into this earlier in the off season after the contracts handed out to Bradford and Osweiller (who both got way overpaid imo) There are 21 qbs in the league who AVERAGE over 16 million a year. The only 2 qbs in the entire league who are on a second contract and make less than that while expected to start are Foles at 12.2 and RG3 at 7.5. Tyrod is all the way down at 1.1. Tyrod is looking at least at 16 million next year at the absolute lowest end if he performs well playoffs or not. The going rate for a qb is astronomical right now. If the Bills don't want to open the purse strings you have to believe that someone will. Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, and Kirk Cousins are all qbs who are slated to be FA next year. Kirk Cousins likely sets the Tyrod market (if Tyrod performs well next season). This year he got the franchise tag and 19.9 million. That means with the contract leap frog (great term btw) 20 million is not unexpected (if he plays well)
ndirish1978 Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 This draught is killing us because now everyone's goal is to just make the playoffs. Who cares about 10-6 and a wild card? Isn't the goal to win the Super Bowl? No, Tyrod can't win us the Super Bowl, so he isn't worth $20 to me let alone $20 million Quite a definitive statement for someone who really has no idea what they're talking about. Well done with the confidence
JohnnyK Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 The Bills should "**** or get off the pot" either sign TT or trade him to Denver or someone else for more than a 1st and take a QB either in the 1st or later! If he walks for nothing that would be a silly waste of a valuable asset. p.s. NE would do it while they can get a good return!!!
RussellDopeland Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 If Tyrod leads us to the playoffs, I think we know what will happen. Taylor will be benched before our playoff game, per the directive of Pegula, so that our backup, 2nd round pick Christian Hackenberg, can play (he has a strong arm and he played at Penn State). We will trail all day, but Tyrod will come off the bench late and lead us down to a potential game-winning field goal attempt which Carpenter will, of course, clang off the right upright.
Bakin Posted April 27, 2016 Author Posted April 27, 2016 Did you see the money Brock Osweiller got? He did much less than Tyrod has. He also is only a year younger. I looked into this earlier in the off season after the contracts handed out to Bradford and Osweiller (who both got way overpaid imo) There are 21 qbs in the league who AVERAGE over 16 million a year. The only 2 qbs in the entire league who are on a second contract and make less than that while expected to start are Foles at 12.2 and RG3 at 7.5. Tyrod is all the way down at 1.1. Tyrod is looking at least at 16 million next year at the absolute lowest end if he performs well playoffs or not. The going rate for a qb is astronomical right now. If the Bills don't want to open the purse strings you have to believe that someone will. Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, and Kirk Cousins are all qbs who are slated to be FA next year. Kirk Cousins likely sets the Tyrod market (if Tyrod performs well next season). This year he got the franchise tag and 19.9 million. That means with the contract leap frog (great term btw) 20 million is not unexpected (if he plays well) But didn't Osweiler get that money because Houston is stupid? They may end up Ok but that's a significant risk if Brock ends up sucking. Either way it's a Robosack type error if he flounders which is certainly more likely than not. As for Tyrod - he signed a contract. He should live by those terms. If he blows up next year, like deep playoff run blow up, then we should all be thrilled and he should get his pay day.
section122 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 But didn't Osweiler get that money because Houston is stupid? They may end up Ok but that's a significant risk if Brock ends up sucking. Either way it's a Robosack type error if he flounders which is certainly more likely than not. As for Tyrod - he signed a contract. He should live by those terms. If he blows up next year, like deep playoff run blow up, then we should all be thrilled and he should get his pay day. Yes osweiller did get it because they are stupid but it only takes one team to pay out. It seems a safe bet that another team would throw money at tyrod if he took the Bills to the playoffs.
3rdand12 Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 I am all in. Just like every year you are good soldier in arms. To victory or defeat we go, but our heart are pure Yes osweiller did get it because they are stupid but it only takes one team to pay out. It seems a safe bet that another team would throw money at tyrod if he took the Bills to the playoffs. Be interesting to see how Houstons investment pays out.
KOKBILLS Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 the question seems simple but it isn't, because contracts aren't simple. I think they would and should give him a Andy Dalton type contract if he makes the playoffs and plays well. It's pay as you go and team-friendly, yet provides security with a big chunk up front and incentive to the player with escalators for playoff wins.
machine gun kelly Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Did you see the money Brock Osweiller got? He did much less than Tyrod has. He also is only a year younger. I looked into this earlier in the off season after the contracts handed out to Bradford and Osweiller (who both got way overpaid imo) There are 21 qbs in the league who AVERAGE over 16 million a year. The only 2 qbs in the entire league who are on a second contract and make less than that while expected to start are Foles at 12.2 and RG3 at 7.5. Tyrod is all the way down at 1.1. Tyrod is looking at least at 16 million next year at the absolute lowest end if he performs well playoffs or not. The going rate for a qb is astronomical right now. If the Bills don't want to open the purse strings you have to believe that someone will. Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, and Kirk Cousins are all qbs who are slated to be FA next year. Kirk Cousins likely sets the Tyrod market (if Tyrod performs well next season). This year he got the franchise tag and 19.9 million. That means with the contract leap frog (great term btw) 20 million is not unexpected (if he plays well) Nice post. Very factual and whether we like it or not, the market sets the bar, not fans. I can't remember the last fan saying anyone is worth the money they received on these contracts. The cap keeps going up, and QB is the most coveted position. If you add those teams with aging or injury prone QB's it is like half the league looking for one almost every year.
Marty McFly Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Look what Osweiller got for doing nothing really. And this talk about TT only getting that money if he is the "main reason" we get to the playoffs is silly. This defense isn't will never be as good as Denver's was last year, so if they get to the playoffs it has to be to a significant degree due to the offense and TT by implication. With how our Defense looked last year, I think getting to the playoffs next year is going to be on the offense to put up enough points where the Defense doesnt have to be a wall.
Steve Billieve Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Say 10-6, decent stats, no injuries..... Do you pay him $20M per year?? What are your MINIMUM expectations for him to sign him long term? 20 mil just isn't that much for a qb now . . .
Steve Billieve Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 It wouldn't take much from him for me to be happy with 20, he could probably play pretty bad actually, I would just want some really favorable contract details, low guarantees etc.
Augie Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 20 mil just isn't that much for a qb now . . . It is when you have no cap room. Other than that, I'd agree. Hope they can manage through this.
TheFunPolice Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 I would want to see three things if I was Whaley: #1 (by far): Tyrod plays all 16 games. I need a guy who doesn't miss time if I'm going to invest big time $$. NFL franchise QBs almost never miss games barring serious (and very rare) injuries. I want Tyrod to show that he can play all 16. He did not in year #1 (and I get that can happen to anyone) but if he can't do it in year #2 either that is a major concern for me because we have a pattern then. #2: I want to see more consistent, sustained drives. Tyrod's typical stats for a game are like 11/15, 195 YDS, 1-2 TD. I want to see at least 5-6 300 yard games during the season. I want to know that my guy can go toe to toe with anyone slinging the ball around the field when we need to. #3: I would like to see Tyrod finish with around 4,000 YDS passing for the season. that's 250/game on average. If you want 20+ million I expect some serious production, and 4,000 YDS isn;t what is used to be. He doesn't have to exactly hit it, but be in the ballpark. If he does those 3 things I would pay him the big $$. You can't go by W/L IMO.
Beef Jerky Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) It is when you have no cap room. Other than that, I'd agree. Hope they can manage through this.Bills have plenty of Cap room... Also QB is the one position where cap room doesn't matter b.c once you find one you MUST keep them. This is what all of you that don't want to pay a QB don't understand... It is the most important position on the field. It is the only position that can have the biggest outcome in games. Edited April 27, 2016 by Beef Jerky
purple haze Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 Say 10-6, decent stats, no injuries..... Do you pay him $20M per year?? What are your MINIMUM expectations for him to sign him long term? I don't think stats are the true indicator. The stats were good last season. If the stats are good again, but we also see him consistently and effectively use the middle of the field in the passing game, bring us back in fourth quarter, two minute drills when the opportunities present themselves, I say pay him 20 million a year. Whether they are 10-6, 9-7, etc. The record might not be indicative of his overall improvement or play; for instance the Bills offense averages 27 points per game, but the defense gives up 30 points per game. My minimum expectation is we see him become a total QB. I believe this is what we will see this season. He just needs to stay healthy.
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