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That is true, I think Roman will open it up more. I just worry about his passing game bc like Dilfer said the footwork doesn't match up with the depth of the route. Hence TT is sitting in the pocket waiting for route to develop instead of throwing on timing. If u watch his system going back to SF even with Alex Smith it was the same...

I do not doubt your more qualified opinion E.

TT did not trust to throw those timing passes, and to me never really settled into a pocket. Much less climbed one to see his receivers.

In the beginning of the season the O line would break down in different ways and the pockets that were left were inconsistent. his first instinct was to run too.

Instead of moving within the tackles. Later on he progressed as the O line developed Some consistency.

Long way to go yet. But i cannot think its is so much a Roman trait. Let Palmer work on him, and as he gains trust in his Recs and the Line to protect him, i would hope he gets his feet sorted and throws those passes that lead his Rec into open space.

Even Sammy he just chucked it to sometimes. Tyrod has a very strong arm but should not rely upon that.

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I do not doubt your more qualified opinion E.

TT did not trust to throw those timing passes, and to me never really settled into a pocket. Much less climbed one to see his receivers.

In the beginning of the season the O line would break down in different ways and the pockets that were left were inconsistent. his first instinct was to run too.

Instead of moving within the tackles. Later on he progressed as the O line developed Some consistency.

Long way to go yet. But i cannot think its is so much a Roman trait. Let Palmer work on him, and as he gains trust in his Recs and the Line to protect him, i would hope he gets his feet sorted and throws those passes that lead his Rec into open space.

Even Sammy he just chucked it to sometimes. Tyrod has a very strong arm but should not rely upon that.

 

I went back and studied Roman's pass concepts over the years and he packaged plays just like this. It'll get better. But watch this video, it'll give u an idea what I mean by packaging man vs zone beaters. By the time TT came off the first WR the backside WRs were covered.

 

You should post more often...

 

I will definitely try!

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Without being critical E , i think the only issue i can find is Tyrod is not comfortable.

I do not find fault with Romans play calling.Maybe i misunderstood your intent. The viddy show show progress by both coach and player

Very good video and breakdown btw. except for the 80s porn music : ) which makes it even more fun

Tyrod has a long ways to go imo. I did see progress.

enough? not sure.
i did fall in love with Watkins all over again though

 

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Thanks !!

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i don't want to keep plugging my stuff here so you click the scheme breakdowns tab and there's posts on run concepts, safety play, linebacker play as well.

Holy...

 

Sorry for the fan boy moment but I'm a huge fan of your articles. You get a lot of redirects here already.

 

I'm thrilled to see you on the board!

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Without being critical E , i think the only issue i can find is Tyrod is not comfortable.

I do not find fault with Romans play calling.Maybe i misunderstood your intent. The viddy show show progress by both coach and player

Very good video and breakdown btw. except for the 80s porn music : ) which makes it even more fun

Tyrod has a long ways to go imo. I did see progress.

enough? not sure.

i did fall in love with Watkins all over again though

 

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Thanks !!

 

lol come on you don't like The Meters? Great funk band lol. But my other videos have some other tracks on them be sure to check out the channel lol. EDIT: But it is not normal not to have the footwork 3,5,7 step drop coincide with the depth of the routes. You know that right? Deep passes are one thing but timing to the drops and depth of WR routes is modern day offense.

Holy...

 

Sorry for the fan boy moment but I'm a huge fan of your articles. You get a lot of redirects here already.

 

I'm thrilled to see you on the board!

 

I appreciate the support, it means a lot. It's really just me running with my passion lol. Thanks for the love!

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lol come on you don't like The Meters? Great funk band lol. But my other videos have some other tracks on them be sure to check out the channel lol.

 

I appreciate the support, it means a lot. It's really just me running with my passion lol. Thanks for the love!

I am a musician of sorts and can be a bit snooty at times,

Certainly going to follow up with the channel, much to learn :thumbsup:

Already enjoying the breakdowns. and thank you !

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Wow, make a thread about a site and the guy who makes the site starts posting. What a time to be alive.

Haha thanks for the share my friend!

You guys r too kind! I would love for the Bills to draft these guys. But I would be surprised if I get 3 right lol. You guys buying the Reed hype train?

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Haha thanks for the share my friend!

You guys r too kind! I would love for the Bills to draft these guys. But I would be surprised if I get 3 right lol. You guys buying the Reed hype train?

I like your 2nd round 2 gapper a lot more than Reed in the first. Our run D wasn't bad last year even with Mario being Mario. It's a passing league and that's where we struggled. Reed had a college career high of 1 sack so I'm not sure how he makes us better. I say use the first round for something else and get your 2 gappers later in a deep DL draft. Edited by Aaron
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So here is my mock guys. Thoughts? http://www.cover1.net/2016/04/draft/

Couple of thoughts: First up, I'd be fine with this draft even though none of these players are on my "likely"list. It's a good group though, and your reasoning is solid.I especially like Kaufusi.

 

Second: If Joseph is picked at 19, I think the fans are going to go nuts. And the talking heads are going to beat the hell out of Whaley. I think he will bring back memories of Donte Whitner, a perfectly fine player who was vilified for being picked too soon, at least according to a vocal contingent of Bills fans.

 

Finally, you kept saying "Rex really likes..." or similar as if he is making the picks. I really don't think Whaley is going to put his future and his reputation on the line by ceding that power to Rex like they did in NY because - beside Rex being nuts - I believe Whaley is looking beyond this season and is ambivalent about Rex after this season. Someone I trust says the atmosphere around OBD has grown noticeably chilly where Rex is concerned in the wake of his highly publicized backing of Trump. It seems to have escaped Rex's notice that Trump is notoriously anti-immigrant, anti-women and fairly sketchy about non-whites. Had he used his brain, Rex mght have noticed that one of the Bills owners is an immigrant woman of Korean descent and that the other owner is her husband. I'm told that was something of a last straw and that he is on the thinnest of ice. He has been strangely MIA since the Trump rally. No interviews with Chris Brown/John Murphy, no appearances on the networks, no pressers with the local media, at least that I'm aware of. And he's a guy who's an addict for attention. Who knows? Maybe it's all off-season nonsense.

 

BTW,my source about this is not with the Bills and isn't even a resident of New York. Not even much of a football fan. Might be buying a place on Canandaigua Lake though, near the Wegmans.

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Couple of thoughts: First up, I'd be fine with this draft even though none of these players are on my "likely"list. It's a good group though, and your reasoning is solid.I especially like Kaufusi.

 

Second: If Joseph is picked at 19, I think the fans are going to go nuts. And the talking heads are going to beat the hell out of Whaley. I think he will bring back memories of Donte Whitner, a perfectly fine player who was vilified for being picked too soon, at least according to a vocal contingent of Bills fans.

 

Finally, you kept saying "Rex really likes..." or similar as if he is making the picks. I really don't think Whaley is going to put his future and his reputation on the line by ceding that power to Rex like they did in NY because - beside Rex being nuts - I believe Whaley is looking beyond this season and is ambivalent about Rex after this season. Someone I trust says the atmosphere around OBD has grown noticeably chilly where Rex is concerned in the wake of his highly publicized backing of Trump. It seems to have escaped Rex's notice that Trump is notoriously anti-immigrant, anti-women and fairly sketchy about non-whites. Had he used his brain, Rex mght have noticed that one of the Bills owners is an immigrant woman of Korean descent and that the other owner is her husband. I'm told that was something of a last straw and that he is on the thinnest of ice. He has been strangely MIA since the Trump rally. No interviews with Chris Brown/John Murphy, no appearances on the networks, no pressers with the local media, at least that I'm aware of. And he's a guy who's an addict for attention. Who knows? Maybe it's all off-season nonsense.

 

BTW,my source about this is not with the Bills and isn't even a resident of New York. Not even much of a football fan. Might be buying a place on Canandaigua Lake though, near the Wegmans.

I'm gonna go ahead and take this as good news.
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I like your 2nd round 2 gapper a lot more than Reed in the first. Our run D wasn't bad last year even with Mario being Mario. It's a passing league and that's where we struggled. Reed had a college career high of 1 sack so I'm not sure how he makes us better. I say use the first round for something else and get your 2 gappers later in a deep DL draft.

Exactly. If u want a run stopper like Reed I would rather have Clark in the second. U can get many of those two gapping DTs in mid rounds. I like Reed but u nailed it. Very little pass rush stats and abilities from Reed. Kaufusi has so many pass rush moves and counters. He will grow into a stud.

Couple of thoughts: First up, I'd be fine with this draft even though none of these players are on my "likely"list. It's a good group though, and your reasoning is solid.I especially like Kaufusi.

 

Second: If Joseph is picked at 19, I think the fans are going to go nuts. And the talking heads are going to beat the hell out of Whaley. I think he will bring back memories of Donte Whitner, a perfectly fine player who was vilified for being picked too soon, at least according to a vocal contingent of Bills fans.

 

Finally, you kept saying "Rex really likes..." or similar as if he is making the picks. I really don't think Whaley is going to put his future and his reputation on the line by ceding that power to Rex like they did in NY because - beside Rex being nuts - I believe Whaley is looking beyond this season and is ambivalent about Rex after this season. Someone I trust says the atmosphere around OBD has grown noticeably chilly where Rex is concerned in the wake of his highly publicized backing of Trump. It seems to have escaped Rex's notice that Trump is notoriously anti-immigrant, anti-women and fairly sketchy about non-whites. Had he used his brain, Rex mght have noticed that one of the Bills owners is an immigrant woman of Korean descent and that the other owner is her husband. I'm told that was something of a last straw and that he is on the thinnest of ice. He has been strangely MIA since the Trump rally. No interviews with Chris Brown/John Murphy, no appearances on the networks, no pressers with the local media, at least that I'm aware of. And he's a guy who's an addict for attention. Who knows? Maybe it's all off-season nonsense.

 

BTW,my source about this is not with the Bills and isn't even a resident of New York. Not even much of a football fan. Might be buying a place on Canandaigua Lake though, near the Wegmans.

I hear ya on the Rex likes but let's face it in order to win Whaley must draft guys that fit his complex system. So although Rex isn't the gm the guys have to fit that system. I trust Whaley and he was in Pitt when they drafted Polamalu and he had a big role in it. I think he sees the playmaking skills in Karl. If Joseph wasn't hurt he would have been a top ten pick he's that good. In the end I think the Bills do trade back and go for a playmaker at a position other then def like. As far as Rex being on thin ice bc of trump I'll stay away from politics but I'll leave this. As big a head as Rex is and as much drama as he went thru in year one, do u honestly think that he would go ahead and do the trump rally without discussing it w his boss or general manager? I'm not saying that he asked permission but maybe just ran it by to gauge if there would be issues? It wasn't a problem IMO bc they want to win games bottom line.. Edited by TurnerE
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I hear ya, but if you take a look at the Tyrod Taylor video I did you will see how Roman almost made Taylor look like a one read and run QB. He ran a lot of 3x1 sets, solo side ran a Man coverage beater. If not open TT had to read and throw to zone coverage beaters on the 3 WR side. I am not putting all of the blame on either or. Some of that is on having an inexperienced QB too. Roman spends a great deal of time scheming his runs for Sundays that the passing game suffers. There is only so much practice time. It is fairly common knowledge that Roman's passing schemes and route tree are not that complex.

 

I agree, 'not putting all the blame on either or', and that Roman's passing game is not that complex, but it is more complex than 1 read and run. To characterize Roman's passing game as one read and run, and "the system putting Taylor in that situation" isn't right either. I consistently saw outlet receivers on many pass plays who were often open for Taylor - but he would be out of the pocket by then, and running. I'm not saying that last is all on Taylor either - sometimes there was no pocket. But other times there was, and he didn't use it.

 

 

That is true, I think Roman will open it up more. I just worry about his passing game bc like Dilfer said the footwork doesn't match up with the depth of the route. Hence TT is sitting in the pocket waiting for route to develop instead of throwing on timing. If u watch his system going back to SF even with Alex Smith it was the same...

 

Dilfer doesn't like Roman's system, it's true. But when Dilfer made those comments about the footwork doesn't match up with the depth of the route, he wasn't indicting the system or saying it's a one read and run system, he was saying that Taylor wasn't performing as well as he could in that system, and putting that on the coaching for not coaching Taylor to perform better within the system they're using:

"Usually you can tell if a quarterback’s being developed right by what his eyes and feet are doing. That offense doesn’t have a real flow to the passing game. The feet and the eyes don’t always match what’s going on downfield. That’s not a Tyrod Taylor issue. That’s a coaching issue.”

 

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/184906-quiet-indictment-of-leeroman-trent-dilfer/?p=3864845

 

I do agree with others, you should post more often. And you clearly put a lot into that site - great site!

 

I just disagree with you seeming to put the Bills passing game problems on Roman's system. Whether or not Roman has a great system, he has a system that can be more productive, and a lot of the time, especially early in the season, Taylor didn't execute it as well as he could.

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I went back and studied Roman's pass concepts over the years and he packaged plays just like this. It'll get better. But watch this video, it'll give u an idea what I mean by packaging man vs zone beaters. By the time TT came off the first WR the backside WRs were covered.

 

In this video, you even seem to agree that there are multiple reads in Roman's system and at times Taylor hit them, at times Taylor got happy feet or was confused by the coverage he saw, and that he progressed as the season went on - which I completely agree with

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So here is my mock guys. Thoughts? http://www.cover1.net/2016/04/draft/

 

I have them taking Joseph in the 1st myself and looking back at his tape, my thought was that minus the injury he would be a top 20 lock. If the medical is good, he's a 1st rounder all day in this draft. The talking heads are starting to realize this and putting him in their mocks too, which leads me to believe his medicals are checking out. Aside from his talent, A. Williams is a neck injury/injury away from calling it a career IMO as well, and Graham is nearing the end, Joseph is an upgrade, and I'd prefer him in the 2nd, but I doubt he makes to the 2nd round. Id love to see him and his talent in Buffalo, he is a wealthy mans Earl Thomas, not a poor mans. I agree with every word you wrote, obviously you have read my posts and others here as well, LOL!

 

I like Kuafasi in the 3rd round myself, w/out knowing who was still available in your mock, the 2nd round for reasons you state is possible. Again, I agree with your analysis and like his fit, especially being able to stand up and rush, providing versatility for a DE/OLB role in Rex's D. He is a good fit.

 

I could see Jones in the 3rd, that is where his value is because of his punt returning ability, which I would add to your analysis, would love to see him in the 4th which is where I see his nickel CB (I agree he could come in and contribute in the field and boundary CB) value at, but I doubt he makes it there given his game breaking punt return ability.

 

Preskott I am not as high on, he has progressed, but I have not put enough time on him to say much else. My gut doesnt like him in the NFL, but that means nothing.

I like the the Henry pick and agree on all points.

 

Lawler, Lewis and Goodson are all nice 3rd day adds.

 

Overall, I thought it was a good mock!! Nice fits, analysis and most of all it made sense IMO. Good to see another poster putting in the time, being rational and posting on the board, welcome!!

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Just to speak on the Joseph pick.

I had to start digging more into him. I expected the Whitner compares.

But i would not dislike the pick. Be even better trading down a couple spots as everything looks better to me when adding a mid round pick does.

Needs coaching but Bills conveniently have just that Coach. 1+1 =2

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